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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by hellerbarde »

jonhohle wrote: post #148
moe wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You can install whatever you want. It's a computer. As long as your credit card is on file with apple. You might be surprised what happens to 'your' computer after an attempted purchase fails for any reason. You won't be able to update or install any software from the app-store anymore. This includes updates for and re-downloads of apps that you have 'bought'.

Downloading a previously purchased digital asset requires confirmation of financial responsibility‽ Who would have thought!

I don't understand. He already bought it. Why should he have to have a valid credit card again? Aren't purchases locked to an account with a password and such?

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by nachteilig »

Why do I have a strong feeling that this is anti-Apple blogspam? If people confuse Apple products with Samsung products, it's because Samsung wants that confusion to exist. Apple's innovations weren't "obvious" until Apple put them into their products. Please consider the criticism iPhone received for not having a keyboard or buttons back in 2007.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by nachteilig »

delllapssuck wrote: post #5

Beautiful. For Apple, it's all about controlling the minds of consumers. And controlling their access to information about the devices. For Samsung, it's less about that and more about plain old lack of interoperability: proprietary plugs, crappy Windows proprietary "install" software that was written hastily, and other little annoyances, stuff that will only work with Samsung. Like every other Asian manufacturer for…

How can you claim to say what it's all about for Apple? You are very far out of bounds to claim it's about controlling something. From my perspective it's about making devices that offer a good experience, and from their current earnings I'd say that consumers believe it to be a fair price for that experience.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tedunangst »

viraptor wrote: post #39
tedunangst wrote: post #20

Here's what's going to happen. These people will buy a Samsung device. And they will hate it. And then they will learn to never buy anything but Apple. Apple has, for a short bump in near term revenue, earned themselves a lot of lifetime customers.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, or just don't like the Samsung devices, but either way... no they won't. At least not all of them. I'm sure there's going to be a group not satisfied with Samsung. There are also groups not satisfied with Apple. Some of those people will say - hey, this was always annoying me in i$DEVICE, but here's it's better. Why would you think everyone will hate it? (or even that they will have t…

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/21/samsung-galaxy-note-...

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tedunangst »

xqyz wrote: post #23
tedunangst wrote: post #20

Here's what's going to happen. These people will buy a Samsung device. And they will hate it. And then they will learn to never buy anything but Apple. Apple has, for a short bump in near term revenue, earned themselves a lot of lifetime customers.

That's actually what kind of happened to me with MP3-Players. "Mhm, I could buy an iPod Nano for ~150 or this whatever-brand with more space for ~100. Two months later I got the iPod Classic, best decision ever."

heh, that's exactly my mp3 player story. I bought a small samsung device (dude, look, it plays ogg files! it must be the best!). Less than a month later I bought an ipod nano.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tedunangst »

phaus wrote: post #33
tedunangst wrote: post #20

Here's what's going to happen. These people will buy a Samsung device. And they will hate it. And then they will learn to never buy anything but Apple. Apple has, for a short bump in near term revenue, earned themselves a lot of lifetime customers.

Some people do hate Samsung products, and some people just hate Android in general. It may come as a shock to you, but in spite of this fact, there are actually tens of millions of people out there who prefer Android, Windows, and reasonably priced laptops. I bought a retina iPad because at the time I was in the market, it was the best tablet available. If I were going to get one today, it would be a close call betwe…

I prefer Windows laptops, though I generally prefer Thinkpads which aren't much cheaper. As for Galaxy Note 10.1: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/21/samsung-galaxy-note-...

That is exactly what I'm talking about. People will buy it, because on paper it has even more checkboxes than the iPad, but then it just isn't going to work.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by encoderer »

samstave wrote: post #157
bpatrianakos wrote: post #48

Even if this is a true story, it isn't the lawsuit that made people think this. What makes people think that Apple products and Samsung products are the same is the fact that Samsung intentionally ripped them off to get exactly that. Apple did not do this. Samsung did and the lawsuit was so they could stop it. If this story is true, which it kind of sounds like it isn't, then the only reason people are being vocal ab…

So apple's overly inflated prices on everything are defensible because they were copied?

I've always found this argument so odd.

Look at articles about the Surface tablet. When they talk about possible pricing it's always "Do they dare price it more expensive than an iPad or do they undercut the iPad and lose money?"

Clearly the iPad price isn't inflated.

Look at the on-contract and off-contract prices of iPhones. Compare to say, Galaxy S3. Or the new Droid. Or the new Evo.

Clearly the iPhone price isn't inflated.

Want a consumer-line notebook? Apples consumer notebooks are the Air line. Find a good competitor, say the ASUS Zenbook UX31E. It's about $950, vs $1200 for the Air. That is a big price difference. And the machines look an awful lot alike.

But the Air has a faster processer, faster RAM, faster SSD and faster graphics (3000 series vs 4000 series Intel). The Asus has 1600x900 vs the Air's 1440x900.

The Air also comes bundled with software that's all written by Apple as first-class companions to OSX. The bundled software on PCs is almost universally mocked and either ignored or uninstalled.

Their Pro line is more expensive, yes. But the products I listed above make a large majority of Apple's sales and profits. And the people that actually have bought a Pro line seldom complain. They seldom think they didn't get value, that they didn't get their monies worth.

I get it, there are certain people who see a Mercedes as a car, like any other. They see, well, the Mercedes has a 2.5L engine, a Kia has a 2.5L engine. The Mercedes has 8 air bags, so does a Ford Focus. The Mercedes has.... you get my point. For those people, certainly, a Mercedes doesn't sound right for you.

But you're ignorant if you don't see the value others see in it, and it's not just vanity or shallow brand obsession. You may not weigh that value as heavily in your life as they do, but any honest person has to at least acknowledge it.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by zxoq »

paulgb wrote: post #139
nirvana wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, I know why you think that, but you're missing that there is a completely legitimate app distribution mechanism outside the AppStore. You can install (and distribute) whatever apps you want for iOS devices, and users can download them from the web and install them on the device. And I'm not talking about jailbreaking. Since the first day the iPhone has shipped, you…

I've done some mobile javascript development and do commend Apple for pushing the limits of what can be done in-browser. The accelerometer support comes to mind, which came sooner and better than the same support on Android. That said, I wasn't aware that the two environments could be considered equivalent. Can you call the camera API from javascript? Write a music player? It would be one thing (though still unfortun…

Google Music is a javascript app and works well on the iPhone, the remote etc. all behave properly and it can play while in the background.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tedunangst »

sliverstorm wrote: post #131
tedunangst wrote: post #20

Here's what's going to happen. These people will buy a Samsung device. And they will hate it. And then they will learn to never buy anything but Apple. Apple has, for a short bump in near term revenue, earned themselves a lot of lifetime customers.

Why will they hate it? Please expand on your statement.

Because it's not the same. There's a dozen comments here enumerating all the ways Samsung devices are different, even superior to Apple. That's different, not the same. Lots of people prefer Samsung devices. But not the people who prefer Apple devices and buy a Samsung expecting the "same thing".
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