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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by seadan83 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 12:22 AM UTC

tossandthrow wrote: post #175

seadan83 wrote: post #122

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False dichotomy, we don't have to continue at 3% for the 20% prediction to be wrong. So far, I've seen jobs lost to tariffs. I've yet to see a job lost to AI. Observations are not evidence, but so far there is no evidence I see that shows AI to be a stronger macro economic force than say recessions, tariffs (trade wars) or actual wars.

> for the 20% prediction to be wrong. The was also not the bet. > I feel extremely confident taking the other end of this bet. I interpret that as full employment, which we are practically at now. It would be amazing if we can stick on to full employment without serious inflation over the next 5 years, and it sounds unreasonable in my ears.

>> I feel extremely confident taking the other end of this bet.

> I interpret that as full employment, which we are practically at now.

Yeah, no, the other end of the bet is that the 20% unemployment outcome will not happen (and it is implied that anything close to that would count, like say 15% or 17%, and of course anything over 20% would qualify too).

20% unemployment is massive depression level of unemployment; so the other end of the bet is that there won't be a massive depression. That is why I stated you present a false dichotomy that the bet is either "depression" or "full employment", the other end of the bet is "not depression"

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by seadan83 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 12:26 AM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #139

seadan83 wrote: post #83

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So many of the drawbacks have been mitigated at this point too. Offshore teams are well organized, have their own managers, orgs, the offshore talent has really grown in ths last few decades with many excellent engineers, and remote/async work has become a first class citizen now. Despite offshore getting way better, the US jobs market in IT has not collapsed.

US tech jobs market has collapsed. Although partially self-inflicted wounds. If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. AI should improve code quality for these offshore teams. That leaves time zone issues, which may or may not be a problem. If it is, offshore to Latin America.

> If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while.

This is not an argument. Any individuals experience is not going to be anything of a representative sample of pretty much anything. You need data to make your claim. You probably will also need to define "collapse."

US-based AI companies are doing pretty well, if there were a collapse, that would not be the case. Plenty of companies are hiring. The job market is not what it was when there were 0% interest rates, but "collapsed" - that's some hot-take shit IMO good for twitter and clicks.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by mixmastamyk » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 3:12 AM UTC

seadan83 wrote: post #192

mixmastamyk wrote: post #139

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US tech jobs market has collapsed. Although partially self-inflicted wounds. If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. AI should improve code quality for these offshore teams. That leaves time zone issues, which may or may not be a problem. If it is, offshore to Latin America.

> If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. This is not an argument. Any individuals experience is not going to be anything of a representative sample of pretty much anything. You need data to make your claim. You probably will also need to define "collapse." US-based AI companies are doing pretty well, if there were a collapse, that would not be the case. Plenty of companies are hiring. The job…

No. I guess it wasn’t clear, you thought I meant that tech companies completely shut down or something. That’s not it.

The new job market has collapsed. I’ve never had trouble getting interviews before. Offers have been difficult yes, but interviews, always got plenty.

I have twenty plus years experience in modern tech stacks, last five in ETL which was a good field. And haven’t received a single interview this year.

Section 174, BigTech layoffs, DOGE, higher interest rates, and more. Try getting a job outside of your network just for practice and you’ll see something has fundamentally changed.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by hnlmorg » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 10:39 AM UTC

willis936 wrote: post #104

hnlmorg wrote: post #54

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That backlash is already happening. Which is why we are seeing the rise in right wing extremism. People are voting for change. The problem is they’re also voting for the very establishment they’re protesting against.

Surveys aren't revealing that AI legislation is a top 3 issue for constituents on either side. It might as well be under the noise floor politically.

The backlash isn’t about AI specifically but rather about the perceived lack of jobs and the very real gap between the high earners and everyone else.

AI is just another excuse for greedy manipulators to push the needle even further in their favour.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by hnlmorg » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 10:39 AM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #113

hnlmorg wrote: post #54

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That backlash is already happening. Which is why we are seeing the rise in right wing extremism. People are voting for change. The problem is they’re also voting for the very establishment they’re protesting against.

AI doesn’t really register on polls of voter priorities.

The backlash isn’t about AI specifically but rather about the perceived lack of jobs and the very real gap between the high earners and everyone else.

AI is just another excuse for greedy manipulators to push the needle even further in their favour.