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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

zozbot234 wrote: post #47
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by uhhhhhhh »

zozbot234 wrote: post #47
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Companies are actively not hiring expecting AI to compensate and still have growth. I have seen these same companies giving smaller raises and less promotions, and eliminate junior positions.

The endgame isn't more employees or paying them more. It's paying less people or no skilled people when possible.

That's a fairly massive disruption.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by jasonsb »

So far they're both wrong. Jensen says AI technologies will open more career opportunities in the future with zero evidence to support his claim. Dario says unemployment will skyrocket, but we're not seeing a spike in unemployment yet. If Dario's claims were indeed valid, we should already be observing at least a slight spike in the unemployment data.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by hnlmorg »

kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

That backlash is already happening. Which is why we are seeing the rise in right wing extremism. People are voting for change. The problem is they’re also voting for the very establishment they’re protesting against.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by falcor84 »

quonn wrote: post #13
dsign wrote: post #9

Why look at five years and say "everything is gonna be fine in five years, thus, everything is gonna be fine and we should keep this AI thing going"? It's early days and nobody knows how things will go, but to me it looks that in the next century or so humans are going the way of the horse, at least when it comes to jobs. And if our society doesn't change radically, let's remember that the only way most people have o…

> It's early days and nobody knows how things will go, but to me it looks that in the next century or so How is it early days? AI has been talked about since at least the 50s, neural networks have been a thing since the 80s. If you are worried about how technology will be in a century, why stop right here? Why not take the state of computers in the 60s and stop there? Chances are, if the current wave does not achieve…

> How is it early days?

When you have exponential growth, it's always early days.

Other than that I'm not clear on what you're saying. What is in your mind the difference between how we should plan for the societal impact of AI in the short vs the long term?

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by tossandthrow »

Spivak wrote: post #25

Hey now, let's not criticize the Anthropic CEO just yet. He made a totally not just pulling a number out of his ass prediction, but a prediction that's nonetheless falsifiable. > that 50% of all entry-level white-collar jobs could be wiped out by artificial intelligence, causing unemployment to jump to 20% within the next five years I'm not a betting woman but I feel extremely confident taking the other end of this b…

The other end is that we continue a roughly 3% unemployment over the next 5 years.

I am curious to hear why you think that?

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by kbos87 »

brookst wrote: post #37
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

I’m very skeptical of claims that all things will always do this and never do that, etc. IMO Jensen and others don’t know where AI is going any more than the rest of us. Your imaginary dystopia is certainly possible, but I would warn against having complete conviction it is the only possible outcome.

Fair point and I absolutely acknowledge that the future AI will usher in is still very much an unknown. I do think it's worth recognizing that there is one part of the story that is very predictable because it's happened over and over again - the part where some sort of innovation creates new efficiencies and advantages. I think it's fair to debate the extent to which AI will completely disrupt the white collar working class, but to whatever extent it does, I don't think there's much argument about where the benefit will accrue under our current economic system.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by WXLCKNO »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #26
WXLCKNO wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying every flavor of AI powered development and after trying Claude Code for two days with an API key, I upgraded to the full Max 20x plan. Cursor, Windsurf, Roo Code / Cline, they're fine but nothing feels as thorough and useful to me as Claude Code. The Codex CLI from OpenAI is not bad either, there's just something satisfying about the LLM straight up using the CLI

hey can you explain the appeal of Claude Code vs Cursor? I know the context window part and Cursor RAG-ing it, but isn't IDE integration a a true force multiplier? Or does Claude Code do something similar with "send to chat" / smart (Cursor's TAB feature) autocomplete etc.? I fired it up but it seemed like just Claude in terminal with a lot more manual copy-pasting expected? I tried all the usual suspects in AI-assis…

Claude Code has a VS Code (and therefore cursor / windsurf) extension so it will show you changes it wants to make directly in the IDE.

I still use the Cursor auto complete but the rest is all Claude Code.

Even without the extension Claude is directly modifying and creating files so you never have to copy paste.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by lazystar »

cybrjoe wrote: post #34
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hey can you explain the appeal of Claude Code vs Cursor? I know the context window part and Cursor RAG-ing it, but isn't IDE integration a a true force multiplier? Or does Claude Code do something similar with "send to chat" / smart (Cursor's TAB feature) autocomplete etc.? I fired it up but it seemed like just Claude in terminal with a lot more manual copy-pasting expected? I tried all the usual suspects in AI-assis…

i rewrote a code base that i’ve been tinkering on for the last 2 years or so this weekend. a complete replatform, new tech stack, ui, infra, the whole nine yards. the rewrite took exactly 3 days, referenced the old code base, online documentation, github issues all without (mostly) ever leaving claude. it completely blew my mind. i wrote maybe 10 lines of code manually. it’s going to eliminate jobs.

> it’s going to eliminate jobs.

that's the part i'm not sold on yet. it's a tool that allows you to do a year's work in a week - but every dev in every company will be able to use that tool, thus it will increase the productivity of each engineer by an equal amount. that means each company's products will get much better much faster - and it means that any company that cuts head count will be at risk of falling behind it's competitors.

i could see it getting rid of some of the infosec analysts, i guess. since itll be easier to keep a codebase up to date, the folks that run a nessus scan and cut tickets asking teams to upgrade their codebase will have less work available.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by danans »

brookst wrote: post #37
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

I’m very skeptical of claims that all things will always do this and never do that, etc. IMO Jensen and others don’t know where AI is going any more than the rest of us. Your imaginary dystopia is certainly possible, but I would warn against having complete conviction it is the only possible outcome.

> Your imaginary dystopia is certainly possible, but I would warn against having complete conviction it is the only possible outcome.

Absent some form of meaningful redistribution of the economic and power gains that come from AI, the techno-feudalist dystopia becomes a more likely outcome (though not a certain outcome), based on a straightforward extrapolation of the last 40 years of increasing income and wealth inequality. That trend could be arrested (as it was just after WW2), but that probably won't happen by default.

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