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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by timr »

lxgr wrote: post #271
roywiggins wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately for everyone's brains, this turned out to basically not be true with COVID- only real news fans (or people with expertise in the relevant science, but there are way less of those) were remotely aware that offices probably weren't going to be closed for only two weeks[0]. If you followed the news closely you stocked up on toilet paper when there were runs on it in Hong Kong, before there were runs on it…

If nobody followed the news or social media, there wouldn’t have been runs on toilet paper to begin with, as there never was a shortage to begin with and it was all just mass hysteria.

Yeah, the deep irony of the GP comment is that, had all of these supposedly knowledgable people just read the original report from the WHO (~early 2020), they'd have realized many things about the virus (such as the extremely skewed age distribution of the seriously ill) that would have greatly mitigated the overall panic. It literally took years for the chattering class in medicine to understand basic information that was available at the beginning of the pandemic.

COVID was a perfect case study of mass hysteria, and how you can't even trust "the experts" in these situations, because the "experts" you hear from early on are also generally the ones who are the most willing to spout pure speculation for attention. Humans are gonna human, and a background in science doesn't change that fact.

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Post by voxadam »

roywiggins wrote: post #302
officeplant wrote: post #292

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That was pure panic. I live in the gulf coast. Anytime there is a minor chance we are getting hit by a hurricane people panic buy and suddenly there isn't any water on the shelves anymore. You'll see average folks with 20 cases of water being shoved in their massive SUVs for a family of 3.

Sure. However, I bought a large pack of toilet paper when I saw headlines about hoarding in HK, before the shelves began to dwindle here, and thus dodged the whole thing. That it was basically panic is neither here nor there: paying too close attention to far-off news did actually pay off in a tiny way.

Sam Rogers: You are panicking.

John Tuld: If you're first out the door, that's not called panicking.

—Margin Call (2011)

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by creaturemachine »

shivam543 wrote: post #196
baq wrote: post #20

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You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

Isn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?

Now I'm picturing a plane ejecting its wings and somehow sticking the lawn dart landing.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by rigrassm »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #286

This is the full video of take off to crash: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447

Just my personal observations of the video, I'm in no way qualified to speak on the matter.

There's a large plume that looks like smoke to me looks like smoke (could be dust/sand being blown away but I wouldn't think you'd see that much from a busy runway) visible off the left side of the runway. The plane is obscured by that structure when it happens but it looks like it's created at the same time that the plane is leaving the ground.

It looks like the plane stops accelerating completely at that same moment without any change in orientation which, in my head, looks like both engines suffered total failure at the same time.

From my limited knowledge (mostly from Mentour Pilot YT videos), that seems consistent with what you'd see if the plane flew through a large flock of birds that are spread out enough that both engines would be hit at the same time.

Again, purely speculation on my part based solely on what I see in this 1 video.

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Post by LanceH »

garciasn wrote: post #238
drcongo wrote: post #236

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Why? I went news cold turkey about 6 years ago and I'm very happy with that decision.

Why? Because I personally believe those who are not regularly informed are exacerbating the problem in why the electorate makes the decisions it does.

Not to be rude, but why should we care what you believe?

If there were a problem with holes being dug in the city people are not exacerbating the problem if they choose to just not dig holes.

Not everyone needs to be informed an act on whatever it is that others think is important. This belief really forms the backbone of the current, "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality.

Whatever the cause is, it's entirely possible to just treat people decently without caring about who or what they are. That's where we should be encouraging people to get to, not demanding they jump into action.

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Post by Simon_O_Rourke »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

Counterproductive towards what end? It's not as if anyone on here is going to be invited to present before the air accident board?

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Post by sofixa »

apples_oranges wrote: post #195
sofixa wrote: post #192

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Most of his videos are on crashes. He has said he won't speculate on active investigations, but has already done videos on what is known, and preliminary reports.

No, pretty sure long long ago before he was big, he said he won't do crashes period. But doesn't matter, and he can change his mind as he pleases.

You're either misremembering or misunderstood something, or I'm not understanding what you mean, because Mentour Pilot literally has a channel with nothing but air crash investigation videos: https://youtube.com/@mentourpilot

He has one of the best air crash investigation journalists, Kyra Dempsey (aka Admiral Cloudberg) as one of the writers on the channel.

They already have a YouTube Short listing the facts of the crash, and also have a longer video about the Jeju one. Only the facts, no speculation - they're waiting for the preliminary or even final report to make a full in depth video on it.

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Post by drcongo »

garciasn wrote: post #238
drcongo wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I went news cold turkey about 6 years ago and I'm very happy with that decision.

Why? Because I personally believe those who are not regularly informed are exacerbating the problem in why the electorate makes the decisions it does.

I totally get that, and agree to a degree. For me personally though, the news industry has become entertainment - TV news is hyperbolic, 24 hour breaking news for every story, newspapers (at least here in the UK) are little more than a propaganda outlet for the views of the billionaire owner where every story is designed to make people angry and point the blame at someone, usually immigrants. For years I listened to BBC Radio 4's Today Programme every single morning, until I realised that none of what they were telling me was actually news. You'd be amazed at how many stories started with the words "Ministers are today expected to announce..." - this isn't news, it hasn't happened yet. This is government PR. If you haven't read it already, I highly recommend Flat Earth News by Nick Davies [0] - it's incredibly eye opening. Reading it now, 11 years later, is even more eye opening - everything he writes about in there is now magnified ten fold.

Going cold turkey from the "news" doesn't make me any less informed about what is happening in the world, if anything it has made me more informed as I'm no longer just a vessel filling my brain with whatever some billionaire wants me to believe.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_News_%28book%29

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Post by CPLX »

cschmatzler wrote: post #247
CPLX wrote: post #209

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Do you have a link to that footage? I've seen speculation on this from very blurry video but nothing like proof. On the professional pilot forums the consensus guess is inadvertent flap retraction, instead of gear retraction, leading to inability to climb.

A 787 can still climb with flaps up and two healthy engines. In the video that was posted everywhere, you can CLEARLY hear the RAT spin, which gets deployed automatically when both engines go out.

> A 787 can still climb with flaps up and two healthy engines

Not at takeoff weight with the gear down, this sentence is incorrect.

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