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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Seems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248

Going OT: why a parody account of Italian PM is tweeting a video about an airplane accident in India? Really weird

Because Twitter is a very weird and inauthentic place.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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because painting an entire neighborhood in flammable fluid isn't safe... if it doesn't catch fire it'll corrode everything it touches. most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight. If it's not then you fly long enough to burn it off and land below max landing weight.

> most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight. When fuel is dumped, it's at high altitude where it just evaporates. Short haul jets can't do it, but their max takeoff weight is around their max landing weight, so it's fine. For long haul, it's not the same.

It wouldn't have been in this case, is the point people are making.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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post #194

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because painting an entire neighborhood in flammable fluid isn't safe... if it doesn't catch fire it'll corrode everything it touches. most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight. If it's not then you fly long enough to burn it off and land below max landing weight.

> most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight. When fuel is dumped, it's at high altitude where it just evaporates. Short haul jets can't do it, but their max takeoff weight is around their max landing weight, so it's fine. For long haul, it's not the same.

This airplane was not at high altitude. It crashed right after taking off. It only ever climbed to a few hundred feet in the air.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

Gentle tip from a lifelong speculation enthusiast: if speculating now is fun for you don't let party poopers stop you.

Call me a "party pooper" if you will but maybe you shouldn't be having "fun" with an accident that will have killed hundreds of people.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#235

Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

> gear out

That is normal and standard procedure if you're having issues lifting the plane, because retracting the gear means _increasing_ drag for a crucial 10/15 seconds as the doors open and thus slowing the plane further.

> but no flaps and no control inputs visible

Standard Dreamliner operating procedure, you take off at flaps 10 or 5, they are barely visible from the outside, see many random videos of 787s takeoffs on Youtube like this:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ld_zyEESazI

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

I don't recommend this; instead, I recommend reading factual reporting, not 'analysis' which often comes with inherent political bent/bias.

Why? I went news cold turkey about 6 years ago and I'm very happy with that decision.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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And there were 7 in one year during 2018 and 2019. Looking through the chart you linked, averages around 3 per year. Considering how many planes are currently in the sky at this very moment, this is a wildly useless statistic used to cause fear and panic.

Post-covid, aren't there considerably fewer planes in the skies? When i look up, the skies seem remarkably empty, compared to previously.

Anecdotally there seems to be a bit more air traffic in around Chicago versus 2019, but perhaps I just notice flights overhead more now as I commute downtown far less. This site shows current ORD volume at roughly 2019 levels:

https://chicagoairportguide.com/statistics/

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't recommend this; instead, I recommend reading factual reporting, not 'analysis' which often comes with inherent political bent/bias.

Why? I went news cold turkey about 6 years ago and I'm very happy with that decision.

Why? Because I personally believe those who are not regularly informed are exacerbating the problem in why the electorate makes the decisions it does.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

Isn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?

That would create a trolley problem dilemma of its own, especially over populated areas.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I went news cold turkey about 6 years ago and I'm very happy with that decision.

Why? Because I personally believe those who are not regularly informed are exacerbating the problem in why the electorate makes the decisions it does.

If you don't read the newspapers, you are uniformed. If you do read them, you are misinformed.
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