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Post by avmich »

bobxmax wrote: post #264
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #250

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Thats your opinion, Obama could have been white, and he still would have been voted for by 99.9% of those who voted for him. Young Kennedy-like candidates are rare (eg Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) but are incredibly electable when they show up. Towards the end of his presidency, most of us forgot he was even black. Just those white southerners and a certain old guy in New York who were fixated on his race from the…

There were hit songs about what a big moment it is that he was black. At least among minorities that was a massive deal. If you didn't see that, I think you're probably closer to those white southerners than you might think you are. Can you imagine if mainstream entertainers made songs celebrating having a white president?

Given that all of them but one are white, what the point that would be? Songs are not because Obama is black, but because he was the first black on the role.

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Post by bhouston »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

This is what Trump is doing to Harvard right now. He even is pushing legislation to tax their endowment and also has an executive order to deny them and on them foreign students.

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Post by nkrisc »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

They see it; it's why they voted for him.

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Post by cycomanic »

bobxmax wrote: post #292
lostlogin wrote: post #289

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I’m sorry that the volume of racist statements he has made means that you have to scroll down. The below link should take you straight there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump#2...

So you can't give me a single racist statement he made.

For the risk of feeding a troll:

>There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously," and retweeted a false claim that 81% of white murder victims were killed by black people.

> "We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows—a major destination for Somali refugees—right, am I right?"

Just 2 of them.

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Post by cycomanic »

bobxmax wrote: post #241
krapp wrote: post #237

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Trump's initial popularity was due in no small part to the anger of American white supremacists and the alt-right, this was well documented even back in 2016[0,3]. That the President elected after Obama was the man who mainstreamed the birther conspiracies against Obama was not a coincidence. It wasn't entirely about Obama, but he was the straw that broke white America's back. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics…

This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power. Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".

I call b*t. The reality is that the there is a outrage campaign in the right wing media trying to drive anger about some perceived victimhood in people who have largely been privaledged all their life. They would have found something else instead.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

bobxmax wrote: post #213
paulryanrogers wrote: post #210

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Obama taught constitutional law and served in the state and US Senate before running for president. He was [not] some unqualified hack thrust into power because they needed a person of a different race in power. Obama's campaign was far less about race than Trump's campaigns in 2016 and 2024. Unless you can't hear the dog whistles.

Can you clarify what Trump's 2016 had to do with race

This is the part where you feign not hearing dogwhistles. How about this, are you aware of any openly racist organizations that support him?

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

dralley wrote: post #234
clumsysmurf wrote: post #229

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> corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I think the end goal is domination. From https://mastodon.social/@JuliusGoat/109551955251655267 : It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It’s not an inconsis…

>It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. For my friends - everything, for my enemies - the law.

For my true friends, champagne! For my sham friends, true pain.

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Post by tilne »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #192
martin-t wrote: post #133

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He's first and foremost a narcissist (strongly grandiose subtype, and all over the place on the communal/malignant axis). That condition should make him ineligible for any position of power. This is what a society gets when it elects someone mentally ill (in the harmful-to-others rather than the typical harmful-to-ill-person sense). I am continually astounded by how many people, even if you explain the symptoms to th…

> There is something in many people that makes them attracted to those who treat them awfully and consider them only slightly above things. It's the slave moral and if you think the majority of people would be better (given the opportunity) you are naive

Like of the Nietzschan philosophy? So in the case of trump the idea is that his voters like him because he’s different from the “evil” aristocratic class that trump claimed to oppose (eg “drain the swamp”)?

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

bobxmax wrote: post #221
Retric wrote: post #214

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I’d be shocked if Hilary had a net benefit being a female candidate. We’ve had 2 chances to elect a female president and they both lost the general election with not that great turnout. John McCain’s VP was female during 08 and he lost by a huge margin.

Hillary and Kamala got boosts from being a woman. They just had a massive drop because of, especially in Hillary's case, being deeply unlikeable. Kamala probably wins in 2016.

Kamala probably wins in 2016? I mean this in a very nice way but I think you may want research the politics and candidates in the US a little more before bold statements such as that. Kamala was unable to even register on a scale in the primary and what noise she did make was to play a false game on which she essentially accused Biden of being racist filth. I think it is not just that she had no qualifications for office, we could argue about what constitutes a qualification for a long time, but she had no reasoning or theory of why she would even be someone yo run for office. She tablet in such incomprehensible ways that one could not even discern a point from her utterances. You may say the current president rambles but she think the point is always present. Kamala on her best days just spoke in long winded tautologies: “we are always doing each day the things we do every day” or whenever nonsense she chose to present to the public. Further, he main qualification to place herself as one of the poor people was to constantly talk about being a “middle class kid.” The problem is in her generation, the middle class did quite well for themselves so it was such a false premise. Let’s not discuss the accents.
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