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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by lucideer »

iainmerrick wrote: post #65

To address this interview specifically, rather than just gushing about how great Andor is-- One point Nuyens makes in a few different ways is that they used a variety of tools and techniques at every stage. People often have simplistic, extreme viewpoints like "modern CGI can do anything" or "CGI looks fake and weightless, practical effects are better". But here's somebody with a big part in making a fantastic-lookin…

One of the things I've heard about the practical sets in multiple interviews is how they made an intentional effort to put a lot of real, functional, working props throughout the sets explicitly so that extras & folk appearing in scene backgrounds would have something to engage with & feel more immersed in their smaller roles. Most of these props would never be in frame - many were inside of cabinets or containers.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by troupo »

hackyhacky wrote: post #250
troupo wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know exactly what I mean. It couldn't have been more predictable, cheezy and cliched if it was and actual kiss at the sunset

I know what you mean and I completely disagree. It's a subversion a standard trope. Moreover, the fraternal relationship between the two leads is a reference to Andor's arc in Andor . It's an ending about sacrifice that wouldn't make sense in any other context.

> It's a subversion a standard trope.

There's nothing subversive.

> It's an ending about sacrifice that wouldn't make sense in any other context.

There are a million ways to make an ending about sacrifice. Rogue One chose the worst one, after a lot of other ridiculous choices

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by fsloth »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #124

Andor is shot beautifully but it has a major issue that has plagued an increasing amount of shows recently. It is way too dark. The creators knew it was going straight to streaming and was never shown in theaters. I can’t watch the show in the daytime because even with my blinds down and curtains drawn the window in my living room washes out half of the scenes. Some very important things happened in the dark (it bein…

I think it depends. For me on a fairly recent OLED, watching from the Disney app in AppleTV it looked pretty spectacular during day and night. I do know _some_ shows are terrible but Andor was totally legible to me. I'm not saying you did not have this problem, just that it's not as bad as in some other shows and personally I could not notice it.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by sbarre »

manmal wrote: post #202
meowface wrote: post #3

The cinematography, editing, writing, and overall feel of this show far exceed any Star Wars movie I've seen. I had long since written off the Star Wars franchise as a shameless cash grab since the original movies but they proved they could do something cool with it. I'd definitely watch a new movie if it were handled by the same team that made Andor. Prequel, sequel, side story, or re-telling of the originals.

The prison episode is a masterpiece and would have been an amazing movie on its own. It‘s weird how zany the other SW shows and even movies look now in comparison. I‘m really sad there can’t be another season.

I am hoping that they follow this up with stories set between the original trilogy movies, with some of the characters that were expanded on in the Andor show (and new ones too).

It feels like there's plenty of room in the timeline between those movies to keep telling stories about the rebellion against the Empire, in the same tone as Andor.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by lucideer »

tecoholic wrote: post #46

Everyone seem like to be discussing the show and none the article. For someone who hadn’t watched the show, the article is a pain to read. The images are thrown in randomly, there is no relationship between the text and the images. Every images is pointlessly labelled “Cinematography of “Andor” by Christophe Nuyens”. The interview seems to have covered things in detail, like going into specific scenes and sets, and l…

I didn't find the images relevant to the article - they seemed to just be filler to avoid it seeming like a mundane wall of text - but I just ignored them & didn't find it hard to read as a result?

I can understand it might be difficult to understand the context of some set descriptions without having seen the show but I think that would also be true with relevant still images as you'd still lack character & narrative context.

Honestly can't see how they could've formatted the article any better than they did. Seems fine.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by toyg »

meowface wrote: post #145
mtillman wrote: post #103

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Loved Andor. Unlikely Gilroy would do more Star Wars and if he did, he probably wouldn’t be given another $650M for a side character. Season 2 was $290 and that was after their budget was capped by Iger, they tried to spend more. Source: https://screenrant.com/andor-budget-confirmed/

On one hand I want to say "fuck it, let them have whatever the fuck they want", given they should've known how well-received the show is by critics and viewers alike and how they should consider it basically the savior of the Star Wars brand. On the other hand, I guess it's still a business, at the end of the day.

> the savior of the Star Wars brand

I think Rogue One is the best Star Wars ever and Andor is in the same vein. But.

The savior of the Star Wars brand is always going to be the latest lightsaber-fest for 10-year-olds. That creates customer loyalty that will survive forever. Those kids then grow up and get to bitch about the new lightsaber-fest, and to fawn over the artsy drama.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by lucideer »

jfengel wrote: post #139

I'm astonished at the sets. Some of them seem impossible even for The Volume. I'm sure it's a combination of techniques (locations, Volume, CGI, green screen, etc), because that's what keeps your eye guessing. But I'm continually blown away by how expansive it is in both the foreground and background (and moving between the two).

Afaik they didn't make any use of The Volume for this, but otherwise it's a nuanced combination of all 3 of CGI, locations & built practical sets.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by fsloth »

peeters wrote: post #142
nicoburns wrote: post #5

If you haven't watched Andor and you are at all open to sci-fi then I would urge you to consider giving a go. The writing, acting, and cinematography are all excellent, and IMO it is a very strong contender for the best TV show released in the last few years.

> you are at all open to sci-fi That is to say, a sci-fi setting . Andor would not be correctly put in the sci-fi genre, rather in the political thriller genre.

I'm not sure why some plots would be off-limits in sci-fi genre? Isn't setting limits antithesis to the whole idea of sci-fi?

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by ghaff »

MangoToupe wrote: post #234
ghaff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's probably even truer of TV series than films that you can't really go home again. But then I'm probably forgetting various Disney and other films that I probably loved as a kid that I'd find it torture to sit through today.

Some stuff this is true with, but other stuff can age better. I loved MASH as a kid (huge props to the writers for pulling that off), but it's side-splitting as an adult.

Certainly one of the great series. I think a lot of 60s sitcoms probably age less well.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by toyg »

sho_hn wrote: post #179
lucideer wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not part of the main storyline of Luke's journey as an individual & the Jedi order but it is a very big part of one of the main storylines of a ragtag bunch of rebels sticking it to the empire. A storyline which I'd argue was strongest in A New Hope & the initial trilogy & was weakened by the increased focus on individual storylines in the anakin & rey trilogies.

I'd say this is giving the Anakin trilogy an unfair shake: While I don't enjoy watching the prequels much for being clumsy films, you have to hand it to Lucas for trying to significantly expand his space opera by adding in galactical politics, etc. Any thrust to make Star Wars about ideology and governance (and specifically parliamentary democracy vs. facism) really came from the prequels, and arguably you couldn't h…

Yes, the overall narrative of the prequels was good and very promising. It's so unfortunate that they turned out to simply be shockingly bad as movies - "clumsly" really doesn't describe how stodgy and badly put-together they were.

I honestly hope Disney will eventually remake them from scratch, with the excuse that FX have progressed dramatically since then. They could even reuse McEwan, considering he's supposed to be an older character already.

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