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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by overfeed »

smeeth wrote: post #43
afavour wrote: post #27

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$300m could buy you a hell of a lot of marketing, no? Then people could choose to use your product rather than be forced to. We’re side stepping the elephant in the room: X/xAI/Musk’s brand is toxic and forcing the product onto users is one of few paths available.

It did buy them a hell of a lot of marketing, Telegram has a billion users and those users are mostly in countries where Musk's brand isn't as toxic.

Telegram is ostensibly a competitor if you buy into Musk's pitch for X as an "everything app". Paying Telegram $300M instead of developing chat features and/or marketing proves that plans for the "everything app" are dead in the water, or perhaps were never sincere from the get go.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by nikanj »

hintymad wrote: post #190
Suppafly wrote: post #171

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

Maybe xAI has some interesting way to make money in other places, like Google paying Mozilla for making Google search the default choice.

Google is paying Mozilla to keep Firefox on life support - so that they can pretend Chrome has competitors

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by ZeroTalent »

game_the0ry wrote: post #175
z3dd wrote: post #125

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oh, cause telegram is not a chat app, it's Facebook of eastern Europe

And how is the data of Eastern Europe as valuable as xAI is paying for it?

$300M is not a lot of money in this situation

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by FredPret »

hnfever wrote: post #221
FredPret wrote: post #187

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Here's Genocide Watch's take: https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Some people claim that the high murder rate among white SA'ns means they're also in stage 8/9, but actually the murder rate among black SA'ns is even higher. There's no genocide, but there's a whole lot of red flags and generally terrible things. Just because Trump believes something does not make it wr…

>Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Actually, genocide watch says only stage 6 is present in SA. https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/south-africa For comparison they list 3 different signs for an active genocide against black americans.

You need to make your way through 1-5 to get to 6, but I specifically excluded 5 (organization of militias).

There are rumours of this but if it's true, these militias must be very secret indeed.

One problem is that violent criminals run rampant and the state seemingly has little desire to stop them, and zero capacity to do so. Meanwhile prominent politicians sing songs whose lyrics include machine gun sounds and calls for the murder of whites.

Parallel to this, there are job restrictions limiting the maximum number of whites companies may employ or promote. Franchises limit the number of white owners. White business owners are strong-armed through law and government contracts to give up some of their equity. There's regular talk about seizing white-owned property.

Whatever label you want to put on all that, I think the it's fucked up.

The worst part is, the average poor black South African is innocent in all this and now has to live in a place with a spiraling economy, power & water outages, even worse crime than the whites have to face, terrible standards of education, and much more.

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Post by jedberg »

hintymad wrote: post #192
alterom wrote: post #178

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I really don't get the sentiment of everything Russia. Russia has the GDP of a province of China. Russia does not have a thriving manufacturing sector. Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world. Why would powerful people in the US succumb to to Russia's influence? That just does not make sense. If anything, maybe the Lenin-loving Stalin-admiring Marxists would love Russia, like half of the univer…

They have nuclear bombs. A lot of them. And the person who controls them has little to lose in using them. So we have to be nice and keep that person happy.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by mystified5016 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #225
leptons wrote: post #188

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"if it's free, then you are the product" applies here.

Yes, this is why I switched from free Linux to paid Windows. I don't want to be the product.

You're being deliberately obtuse

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by overfeed »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #227
input_sh wrote: post #75

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> Is it? Yes.

I know my experience is anecdotal, however, I know at least three people at my workplace who have said in our Slack channel they will never, ever but a Tesla because of Musk's antics while typing it using a Statlink connection.

It sounds like they'll buy an alternative product when one is available. Tesla, X, and xAI all have multiple viable alternatives - superior alternatives even. That's not yet the case for Starlink in many locations[0], but in 5-10 years, your colleague may be using an Amazon Kuiper, One World, Garmin[1], or Apple[1] connection.

0. Symmetric gigabit fiber Internet remains the gold standard, where one can get it, but unfortunately that's not many places.

1. I hope these companies are at least looking into doing these, as it's adjacent to their current products.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by nerbert »

nikanj wrote: post #232
hintymad wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe xAI has some interesting way to make money in other places, like Google paying Mozilla for making Google search the default choice.

Google is paying Mozilla to keep Firefox on life support - so that they can pretend Chrome has competitors

Directly taken from Gate's book.
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