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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by hnfever »

FredPret wrote: post #187
alterom wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation. It's as polite way as using the word genocide to describe the experience of white people in South Africa today merits. I can only reiterate the parent's recommendation to you.

Here's Genocide Watch's take: https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Some people claim that the high murder rate among white SA'ns means they're also in stage 8/9, but actually the murder rate among black SA'ns is even higher. There's no genocide, but there's a whole lot of red flags and generally terrible things. Just because Trump believes something does not make it wr…

>Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6.

Actually, genocide watch says only stage 6 is present in SA. https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/south-africa

For comparison they list 3 different signs for an active genocide against black americans.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by taurath »

loopdoend wrote: post #161
taurath wrote: post #109

This just made a whole ton of people I know on telegram (furries who make the internets go) immediately accelerate their movement off the platform. I found out about this news because of some backup signal rooms started sending notifications. They need to get ahead of the privacy implications and quickly. Furries are basically the roma of the internet at this point - what they value hasn't changed (anonymity, moderat…

Where are they going?

Too early to tell - usually they'll settle on something with a balance of those main values. If matrix is truly the new IRC then perhaps that, though it doesn't seem mature enough yet and it seems like it might be costly if one needs to host non-text content. Furries contain both highly technical people and also very low-tech artists so any platform that requires a lot of maintenance can be a non-starter. Signal seems like privacy over expression. Maybe this is the time that they'll make their own.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by FredPret »

alterom wrote: post #202
FredPret wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's Genocide Watch's take: https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Stages currently active in SA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Some people claim that the high murder rate among white SA'ns means they're also in stage 8/9, but actually the murder rate among black SA'ns is even higher. There's no genocide, but there's a whole lot of red flags and generally terrible things. Just because Trump believes something does not make it wr…

>There's no genocide Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject. The word genocide does not mean "a lot of red flags and generally terrible things", nor was it made to describe that. > Don't respond to something like this with a flippant statement about clutching your pearls. Don't clutch pearls then. As long as you keep abusing the word "genocide" to apply it to the plight of white people in South…

> Thank you. This is all that needs to be said on this subject.

No? There are tons of completely insane things happening in SA, and much that needs to be said and done. If you're saying the minimum threshold for caring about what happens in other countries is actual genocide, then I disagree with you.

People have been incorrectly calling this a genocide for a long time, which is why the PDF from Genocide Watch dates back to 2015.

On the right you have people trying to make this even worse than it is, and on the left you have people trying to ignore it, or minimize it.

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Post by ben_w »

Vilian wrote: post #176
loopdoend wrote: post #161

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Where are they going?

Signal and matrix probably

I was about to suggest Discord, but then I checked the news and it looks like that company is also in the middle of its own mid-life crisis?

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Post by dist-epoch »

leptons wrote: post #188
hintymad wrote: post #148

So that means Telegram users will use XAI for free, which means it will cost xAI potentially multiple times of $300M a year to serve the Telegram users?

"if it's free, then you are the product" applies here.

Yes, this is why I switched from free Linux to paid Windows. I don't want to be the product.

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Post by Klonoar »

taurath wrote: post #222
loopdoend wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are they going?

Too early to tell - usually they'll settle on something with a balance of those main values. If matrix is truly the new IRC then perhaps that, though it doesn't seem mature enough yet and it seems like it might be costly if one needs to host non-text content. Furries contain both highly technical people and also very low-tech artists so any platform that requires a lot of maintenance can be a non-starter. Signal seem…

Most of that crowd that I interact with was already off Telegram to begin with, and (in some cases, begrudgingly) run their own Matrix instances.

I think if you interact with non-tech-users, Signal is the go-to; Matrix has way too many thorns for normal users to put up with in comparison to the alternatives.

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Post by andrewinardeer »

input_sh wrote: post #75
MangoCoffee wrote: post #65

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>$300m could buy you a hell of a lot of marketing, no? a quick google search shown Telegram have 1 billion users worldwide. >X/xAI/Musk’s brand is toxic Is it?

> Is it? Yes.

I know my experience is anecdotal, however, I know at least three people at my workplace who have said in our Slack channel they will never, ever but a Tesla because of Musk's antics while typing it using a Statlink connection.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #61

the good news is that when this doesn't yield any positive results for xAI and they need a bailout then they'll get bought by Tesla, and Elon is saved once again.

Given Tesla’s current prospects it seems more likely that xAI or SpaceX wind up bailing it out.

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Post by dughnut »

johnfn wrote: post #91
afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

Google paid Mozilla XB to keep Google as the default search engine, and Apple XXB. Does that mean that Google wasn't a good product?

Yes

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Post by apercu »

hintymad wrote: post #192
alterom wrote: post #178

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I really don't get the sentiment of everything Russia. Russia has the GDP of a province of China. Russia does not have a thriving manufacturing sector. Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world. Why would powerful people in the US succumb to to Russia's influence? That just does not make sense. If anything, maybe the Lenin-loving Stalin-admiring Marxists would love Russia, like half of the univer…

> Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world.

Russia punches above their weight because people believe what they want to believe (and what their peer group they want to fit in to believes), and are easily corruptible by "small" amounts of money. And they have nukes.

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