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If it's control, you get the same in CEE and India with restrictive non-compete clauses that would make Illinois look like an open market, frivolous lawsuits, and no-objection certificates. Control doesn't impact my bottom line. Reality is, H1B hiring is just as impacted as normal hiring in the US.
If you were right, we wouldnt have millions of h1s being hired in the US. You cant have offshore workers away from family, alone in a foreign country, with an RTO mandate, and glued to a desk in SF, constantly worried about deportation. This is about control, power, and abuse.
Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#72>The key difference, he said, is that the iterative process to make AI code better takes minutes, while a junior coder might need days for the same task. Your Sr engineer is also still distracted and focused on those tasks. Junior engineers come up with new ideas, can eventually put the whole system together. There's never just one code base. What Ai tools are replacing engineers? I finay tried cursors free tier yest…
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#73I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…
> Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. You're just coaching people to be passive in the face of a hostile society, and that's bad, because it lets society off the hook for providing for its citizens. Also isn't it strange that's mainly expected of the people at the bottom? Maybe the shareholders should start to…
. . . which is literally never the correct answer.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. You're just coaching people to be passive in the face of a hostile society, and that's bad, because it lets society off the hook for providing for its citizens. Also isn't it strange that's mainly expected of the people at the bottom? Maybe the shareholders should start to…
> you should be working to burn it all the fuck down to the ground. . . . which is literally never the correct answer.
If they are going to come to that conclusion, I'll let them get to that on their own.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#75Can sort of confirm that. Wiped out is maybe the wrong word - they are more heavily being off-shored right now. Whilst there is some very obvious evaluations going on of replacing juniors with , it's quite obviously not there yet but management level interest is off the charts. We are trying to motion against it as much as we can internally... by arguing that we can use as a good coaching/mentoring support for junior…
The delusion is the public’s belief they can ignore political action and everything will work out for them.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#76What did people think would the advanced state of "automate ourselves out of a job" would look like?
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#77Commenting anon, because i'm very concerned about how we are leaving the industry for our children, and how little executives care about the future. 1. anything we used to give to entry-level we now give to offshore workers, typically in Asia. While mean wages metrics look great, the cost savings are an illusion because we spend twice as much time communicating and tacking back and forth to the final answer across ti…
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#78In the mid aughts I decided against computer science as a major based on media forecasts of offshoring destroying the market for programmers. That was a mistake. I ended up a programmer anyway, just with a degree that didn’t really prepare me for it. As for the data, starting with 2019 is going to skew things. In 2022-2023 things went sideways and many big tech employers didn’t extend any intern offers or didn’t even…
During the boom, many people that couldn’t write a for loop got degrees and somehow got entry level jobs. After the dot com bust, many people avoided CS because such jobs evaporated.
This cycle will be a bit worse because four things are hitting simultaneously: (1) Hangover from idiot over hiring during COVID (2) AI is going to replace a lot of incumbent businesses with startups (3) The real economy shows every sign of collapsing due to the trade wars (4) The US is intentionally giving up its position as the best country for skilled workers to move to.
I can’t say what will happen with (4), but it seems unlikely (3) is going to win many elections for the incumbents.
Anyway, this year, firms are probably going to be simultaneously too conservative (eliminating job positions instead of retraining people to use AI with more aggressive product targets) and too aggressive (betting the magic AI genie will grant middle management’s wishes and also somehow not simultaneously commoditize all the stuff it automates away).
Anyway, I think there’s plenty of opportunity this year for any company that’s borderline competent. My personal experience with middle-manager-dominated large firms makes me pessimistic about their futures.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#79I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…
Companies don't care if you work hard or not. You're disposable to them. If you work hard, you only get given more work. By turning employment into "gig" work, they've shifted as much of the risk and costs onto workers, too.
Companies have weaponized employment practices and now they're just burning everything to the ground because they figure there will always be someone desperate enough. Turns out that doesn't quite work - Amazon for example has had internal memos circulating that say in various communities they're pissing off or injuring so many people they are having trouble finding workers.
"Gig" companies care so little, will suspend or cancel workers at the drop of a hat, intentionally or unintentionally. Even Uber's CEO, when he tried going 'undercover' as a driver to see what it was like, admitted he was scared he'd get a less than 5 star rating because it almost instantly torpedos you, especially if you're new. Because the "customer is always right", these companies offer no way to challenge a customer's complaint even if it's obvious nonsense. Why investigate anything, which costs money, if you've got a long line of people desperate to make $6 delivering a cheesebuger 5 miles?
Our legislators let silicon valley roll right over a century worth of worker protections because it was "innovative" (ie they got lots of lobbyist cash.) Voters let them do it because they want their delivered cheeseburger, groceries or makeup as cheap as possible....and voters don't care about the "losers" who work those jobs. It's not them, after all...
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#80To fix it today, you do the same thing. But you'd have to also cancel all the visas, and invalidate citizenship that was founded on fraud. Not much more to this story, if your concern is having jobs in the USA for people already here.