Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#2I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college.
Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there.
Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot of employers admire people who were willing to wipe old peoples' asses when the economy is bad rather than wale about the circumstances.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#3I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…
A pot? They gave you a pot??
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#4Can sort of confirm that. Wiped out is maybe the wrong word - they are more heavily being off-shored right now. Whilst there is some very obvious evaluations going on of replacing juniors with , it's quite obviously not there yet but management level interest is off the charts.
We are trying to motion against it as much as we can internally... by arguing that we can use as a good coaching/mentoring support for juniors to promote them quicker. But yea... We don't like where this is going, and right now it appears that not much can be done by how much money is being poured into this current LLM-based-delusion.
Edit: speaking specifically about SWE-Jr. jobs
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#5Is it AI or just good ol' offshoring? Mix of both? If AI can just make any dev 10-20% more efficient that's a whole lot of jobs no longer needed.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#6Can sort of confirm that. Wiped out is maybe the wrong word - they are more heavily being off-shored right now. Whilst there is some very obvious evaluations going on of replacing juniors with , it's quite obviously not there yet but management level interest is off the charts. We are trying to motion against it as much as we can internally... by arguing that we can use as a good coaching/mentoring support for junior…
The delusion is the public’s belief they can ignore political action and everything will work out for them.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#7I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…
> Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there.
You're just coaching people to be passive in the face of a hostile society, and that's bad, because it lets society off the hook for providing for its citizens.
Also isn't it strange that's mainly expected of the people at the bottom? Maybe the shareholders should start to expect the number won't keep going up to the max?
If it's 2025, and you need to convince yourself that all you may get is "pot to piss in," you should be working to burn it all the fuck down to the ground. After all, isn't it "all up from there"?
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#8I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…
I graduated into a bad market and I took a shitty job 5 states away with low pay. I was basically a warm body while I waited out the clock on being considered a recent grad. I'm so lucky I had 3 internships so I could fake being an experienced junior and truly start my career.
A lot of my peers were too good for those kinds of jobs and while they started their careers at the same time, they didn't make industry and collect paychecks while they did it, so I think I made the correct choice about how to spend those 18months.
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#9Can sort of confirm that. Wiped out is maybe the wrong word - they are more heavily being off-shored right now. Whilst there is some very obvious evaluations going on of replacing juniors with , it's quite obviously not there yet but management level interest is off the charts. We are trying to motion against it as much as we can internally... by arguing that we can use as a good coaching/mentoring support for junior…
The stove must be touched, there's no other way
Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out
#10This article from March suggests it's not just tech jobs, either: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianehamilton/2025/03/01/are-en...