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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

> How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy?

FWIW, the link is to basically a glorified demo page _of the design_ of material 3, not a real world implementation of that design. So, that page's performance is not at all reflective of what you'd see when using a relatively recent android app that uses flutter's material components (https://docs.flutter.dev/ui/widgets/material) or one of the many web component libraries that implement MD.

The lag you're noticing is also likely entirely due to their weird cursor behavior. If they simply removed that, I suspect the page's performance wouldn't be at all noticeable.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by criddell »

jakubmazanec wrote: post #2

It looks like "expressive" in this case means "various pastel shades of pink and purple".

87% of young people prefer expressive designs? Over what? If something is not expressive, what is it? Maybe Bauhaus-Modernist?

Looking at their list of expressive attributes — energetic, emotive, positive vibe, creative, playful, friendly — it sounds exhausting. Who wants their spreadsheet and email to be more like a slot machine?

But then I'm in the 55-64 group, so it wasn't designed for me. Give me the Bauhaus design where form follows function and ornamentation is restrained (which I think makes it more impactful).

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by mouse_ »

andrepd wrote: post #23
rafaelmn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially since it feels so bland and "corpo safe" - the only thing I have feelings about is selling this as expressive :D

No but look > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” We also saw a 34% boost in modernity, making a brand feel fresh and forward-thinking. On top of that, there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness, suggesting that expressive design positions a brand as bold, innovative, and willing to break from convention.

This reeks of "Defiant Jazz"

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by sgt »

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

It's because the developers have extremely fast and graphics accelerated hardware. I can't notice any lag whatsoever on the mouse cursor on my M2 Pro but.. But a lot of folks won't have top end HW.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by johnisgood »

dgimla20 wrote: post #65
jeffhuys wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going through the same thing. Grew up dreaming of having a pocket computer. Nowadays you can basically live your entire life on the internet, as others are doing the same; people (think they) get their social needs met, buy food, do their work, find partners, anything. And it seems like a big part of the younger crowd wants (?) this trend to continue. I don't want to speak for you, but I think there's a big crowd…

Thanks for writing this. It's refreshing to see there's a bunch of us in the same boat. I think you've hit the nail on the head about the two worlds. My phone sits in my pocket most of the day and just comes out when I need it. Every day I see people looking at their phone as they walk through busy streets, walk their dog, pushing prams, at the gym on the treadmills, bikes and on the machines. Especially jarring to s…

Yeah, my phone is just an accessory I keep in my pocket, but only when I know I may need it for something, e.g. time or calls. Sometimes I do not even take it with myself. No reason for me to do that. I just hit 30.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by sgt »

divan wrote: post #102

I'm glad Flutter is not changing design to support this M3Expressive [1] right off the bat. One of the biggest problems with Flutter for me is just a lack of alternative design systems (compared with web frameworks) or the ability to easily spin off your own design system. And it's ok to use default Flutter's design system (which is Material Design), but the need to conform to whatever the Google design team comes up…

But pinkish is just the default. You can select a color scheme and theme color like blue, indigo, etc. Looks better off the bat.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by troupo »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #33

I don't get it. Their examples are about usability. So expressive = make things usable? One of design's main tenets is to make things usable. That's a given. Also how many users did they test with? And they should caveat what apps this might be suitable for. This post just feels like more design wankery, using ambiguous words to restate design's core tenets that have been established decades ago. They could have easi…

> So expressive = make things usable?

An acquaintance said: "For all the talk about accessibility there's less and less contrast in everything"

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by DarkCrusader2 »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #131
bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

> How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? FWIW, the link is to basically a glorified demo page _of the design_ of material 3, not a real world implementation of that design. So, that page's performance is not at all reflective of what you'd see when using a relatively recent android app that uses flutter's material components ( https://docs.flutter.dev/ui/widgets/material ) or one of the many web c…

If the people who came up with this design can not make the demo site performant, site which will be the first impression of your new design language for most, I don't think there is much hope for the rest of us.

But since this has name of Google attached to it, many people will mindless ape it to the detriment of experience of their users.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by [deleted] »

arewethereyeta wrote: post #92
hexomancer wrote: post #76

It's funny that the people who designed this monstrosity of a web page feel qualified enough to advice other people about design.

Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?those that design on your taste? Rarely, if ever, new design trends are liked by everyone. All in all, I think they are qualified enough.

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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

DarkCrusader2 wrote: post #138
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? FWIW, the link is to basically a glorified demo page _of the design_ of material 3, not a real world implementation of that design. So, that page's performance is not at all reflective of what you'd see when using a relatively recent android app that uses flutter's material components ( https://docs.flutter.dev/ui/widgets/material ) or one of the many web c…

If the people who came up with this design can not make the demo site performant, site which will be the first impression of your new design language for most, I don't think there is much hope for the rest of us. But since this has name of Google attached to it, many people will mindless ape it to the detriment of experience of their users.

I think the people who implement google's html/js/css for random articles aren't particularly connected to engineers working on android/flutter widget performance, and the MUI developers aren't even google employees (mui/flutter being the main implementations of MD AIUI). I'm not at all concerned.
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