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Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by jghn »

gottorf wrote: post #246
mplanchard wrote: post #187

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I’ve taken the train a lot in and around NYC, including a ton of subway trips. While the experience you’re describing is certainly not so rare as to be nonexistent, it’s also far from the norm. The large, large majority of subway rides I’ve taken (99% at least) were complete non-events. Perhaps you’re unlucky?

A few points. 1. A 1b. Of course, people get in car accidents all the time. However, rightly or wrongly, people feel more in control when they're driving compared to when they're using public transit (or similarly, taking a commercial flight), which makes them feel better about it. And there is some element of sense here: accidents do not occur evenly among the population, because some drivers are better and more ale…

Anyone claiming more concern about being thrown into an oncoming train than being in a serious car accident is either being disingenuous or deluded. The solution isn't to just excuse it because they feel in control. The solution is to solve their delusions.

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Post by chimeracoder »

epistasis wrote: post #122
KennyBlanken wrote: post #118

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The reason she's not well liked is because she did absolutely nothing about probably one of the most corrupt mayors in the history of NYC. The congestion charge is nowhere on the DNC's radar nationally. The mayor of the largest city in the country engaging in blatant quid pro quo with a president from another party, certainly is.

I'm not quite following here. What is Hochul supposed to do about Adams? The DoJ suit against Adams didn't happen until a month after the DNC. Blatant quid pro quo with a president from another party couldn't have happened until long after the DNC.

> I'm not quite following here. What is Hochul supposed to do about Adams?

Remove him from office? That's a power the governor has, and which the previous governor (Cuomo) threatened to use for petty personal disagreements with the previous mayor (DeBlasio), so actually invoking it to remove someone who has been indicted on federal charges is clearly fair game.

> The DoJ suit against Adams didn't happen until a month after the DNC.

The indictment didn't happen until the fall, but Adams had his home raided and phone seized long before that. The perjury also happened before that, I believe.

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Post by sarky-litso »

genewitch wrote: post #508
virtualritz wrote: post #399

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It's curious but unsurprising that privatization of public transport is considered an answer to congestion when existence of good (or great) public transport is the working answer one can find in many places around the world. When I visited NYC two years ago, I was blown away by how unbelievably bad public transport infrastructure is. The most flabbergasting thing was the absence of Metro ring lines around the center…

I live ~33 miles away, round trio, from the nearest grocery store. No trains, no uber, no bus. The US is massive. It doesn't look like it on the mercator projection, but the US is massive. It takes days to drive across it at highway speeds. I tire of "you guys just love your cars too much". I've lived in several states and only when I lived in Los Angeles county was there ever a bus within "walking distance" - but st…

You "love" your car because you live in the middle of nowhere. There is no "we" in that sentence.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by Ajedi32 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #236
philipallstar wrote: post #9

The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.

> increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll And anyone who takes a taxi. Or needs an ambulance. Or orders anything delivered during the day.

Or takes a bus

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Post by RhysU »

potato3732842 wrote: post #166
RhysU wrote: post #64

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Stand on a corner in NYC and count the moving violations the e-bikes commit. Running lights and stops. Going the wrong way. Etc. These aren't subtle infractions of the law. Tell me why automated traffic enforcement cameras don't target them. As a motorcyclist, e-bikes piss me off to no end.

>These aren't subtle infractions of the law. Tell me why automated traffic enforcement cameras don't target them. Lawyers have a saying about blood and stones. Government doesn't like to talk in those terms because they know it's bad optics but...

For commercial use, send the fines back to the restaurant/business.

For private use, rescind the license for non-payment.

For extra fun, surcharge the dope ordering DoorDash when his e-bike driver breaks the law. Tips will dry up. Problem solved.

This is easy.

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Post by ben7799 »

Car speed in the zone.. that graph is really telling, showing that in NYC cars never really travel faster than even the slowest bicyclist, and slower than a modest runner.

That alone tells you this is the right path. All that infrastructure and work for cars to not actually allow anyone to travel fast.

9mph is very very slow even for the weakest/most timid cyclist.

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Post by danielthor »

PaulHoule wrote: post #506
tacker2000 wrote: post #483

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Not every city needs a ring line, or has a geographical shape where it would be practical. Manhattan is a long rectangle, whilst Berlin has a more rounded shape. Its faster to cross the small width of the rectangle than to go all the way around.

It's perceived as a problem around NYC that a lot of people might want to go from Brooklyn to Queens or to Harlem and the Bronx but public transit funnels everyone through downtown or midtown Manhattan. NYC doesn't need a ring but it could use a supplementary arc.

In the 1990s the RPA proposed reviving an abandoned rail line connecting Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx into the Triboro X line as a supplementary arc. The truth is the boroughs were well connected. In the postwar era the many of light-rail lines connecting Brooklyn and Queens were demolished. As were three elevated lines in Brooklyn/Queens and four elevated lines in Manhattan.

The MTA still has a gap in the funding for the 2020-2024 capital plan due to Andrew Cuomo's raiding and Kathy Hochul's incompetence, so I wouldn't expect much from the 2025-2029 capital program! It is $48 billion short of maintaining existing levels of service, "with a focus on areas in need of urgent investment".

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Post by ardit33 »

steadicat wrote: post #438
Thorrez wrote: post #429

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>IMHO the real problem is cars. The US still can't imagine itself without cars. All of the US except NYC. In NYC 45.6% of households own a car. In Berlin it's 49%. https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/u-s-cities-with-th... https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/car-free-berlin-li.113268

You’re kind of proving the point here. NYC has fewer car owners and yet NYC doesn’t have a single pedestrian street or street closed to through traffic. Sounds like a city that can’t imagine itself without cars even though it’s completely realistic.

Not true. E25st by Baruch college has turned into a plaza. There are some more, that I can think off. (8th/St Marks by A Ave, is a park) etc.

This used to be a regular street at some point https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZivSNhiEnn2Q4pjr6

There are plenty of other examples, just now they look more like plazas, and not streets.

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