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Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by blamazon »

schwartzworld wrote: post #412
aynyc wrote: post #271

As a long time NYC resident who moved out during Covid but commute to work in the city. I definitely noticed less traffic on the streets and less noise. I see a lot of talk of other cities that don't have good public transportation. For example, between Flushing in Queens to 8th Ave in Brooklyn, there are privately run buses at affordable rate and get you there at half the time of trains. There are buses from a lot o…

Growing up in Jersey we called them jitneys. And no, they don’t have them in other cities.

There is in Atlanta. An informal system of cash only mini buses without fixed routes and a focus on Spanish language.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by dfxm12 »

aynyc wrote: post #271

As a long time NYC resident who moved out during Covid but commute to work in the city. I definitely noticed less traffic on the streets and less noise. I see a lot of talk of other cities that don't have good public transportation. For example, between Flushing in Queens to 8th Ave in Brooklyn, there are privately run buses at affordable rate and get you there at half the time of trains. There are buses from a lot o…

What are the brands/types of busses you're talking about? In my city, Greyhound, Chinatown busses, etc., handle city-to-city connections, but they don't connect the residential areas to the city center. It's not lucrative enough (one reason being car use is so heavily subsidized). This is one of the reasons the concept of public transit exists. Like delivering mail to Americans who live in remote areas, we spread out the costs because the benefits are necessary to a thriving society.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by tacker2000 »

virtualritz wrote: post #399
aynyc wrote: post #271

As a long time NYC resident who moved out during Covid but commute to work in the city. I definitely noticed less traffic on the streets and less noise. I see a lot of talk of other cities that don't have good public transportation. For example, between Flushing in Queens to 8th Ave in Brooklyn, there are privately run buses at affordable rate and get you there at half the time of trains. There are buses from a lot o…

It's curious but unsurprising that privatization of public transport is considered an answer to congestion when existence of good (or great) public transport is the working answer one can find in many places around the world. When I visited NYC two years ago, I was blown away by how unbelievably bad public transport infrastructure is. The most flabbergasting thing was the absence of Metro ring lines around the center…

Not every city needs a ring line, or has a geographical shape where it would be practical.

Manhattan is a long rectangle, whilst Berlin has a more rounded shape.

Its faster to cross the small width of the rectangle than to go all the way around.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by healsdata »

jcattle wrote: post #453
dripdry45 wrote: post #283

I wonder if adding congestion pricing in small cities to certain intersections or stretches of road would work the same way. if people really want to go through the busiest intersections or areas, then they’re going to have to pay a little bit. Then people question whether they are going to go through, or pay a little bit to keep up the infrastructure if they do.

I think that would have the opposite effect. Instead of most cars going through the busy intersection (which is probably busy because it's the main way to get from A to B) more cars would go through side roads to avoid the toll. And then you have more cars going through mainly residential streets.

Google Maps and Waze are already causing this without the toll. In my town, you'll always be routed down two residential, 25 mph roads to avoid the congested part of Main St.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by jampekka »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #458
jampekka wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Travel of low-income people also declined significantly while high-income travel did not. So quite literally the London congestion pricing got the poor off the zones. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03611981221138801

How would limiting access by adding a cost not obviously impact people differently based on their income? I'm struggling to see why this would even need to be verified by research.

What's not obvious is how strong the impact is, does it cause substitution of travel modes or just decrease in travel, how does it change when travel takes place, what share of people are those who still have to drive etc.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by misja111 »

philipallstar wrote: post #9

The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.

Yet, the article states > Public Opinion: Not great (but improving)

So most people aren't happy (yet). Why is that?

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by robin_reala »

Larrikin wrote: post #252
neves wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best decision would be to completely forbid individual transport. Now the common space dedicated to streets is for who can pay extra. Forbid individual transport and create some parks and pedestrian streets.

If I live in a NYC like this how do I visit my friends in Philadelphia? What if they live in Towson MD? Now what if they live in the suburbs? How would I visit anybody in the country side anywhere? What if I want to buy in bulk at Costco? What if I just want to buy anything I can't carry on the subway? I have spent over a decade without owning a car in multiple cities. It's definitely possible but I've been fortunate…

You get a train or bus to the nearest stop to your friends and they come and pick you up. This is what city dwellers in countries with developed infrastructure are used to.

Alternatively, you rent a car from a car sharing service for the few times a year you want to do this.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by taeric »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #301
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Possibly reasons like this: https://archive.is/tjdZ2 ... to save you the click, the title/subtitle reads: > When Getting Out of Jail Means a Deadly Walk Home > Nearly every day in Santa Fe, N.M., people released from jail trudge along a dangerous highway to get back to town. Jails often fail to offer safe transport options for prisoners. 2. You must have a preference for walking, since a bicycle would be at least…

The average annual cost of owning a car in Canada is >$16000 CAD. In the US it's even higher at >$12000 USD. Obviously owning a bike, taking public transit and taxis, and occasionally renting a car isn't free, but if you live in a walkable neighbourhood and can take public transit to work it's easy to keep your monthly transportation expenses under $200. The great part about not needing to own a car is that there's n…

"If you live in a walkable neighborhood" is doing a ton of work there. The increase in housing cost almost certainly eats at whatever savings you might see. And the opportunity costs of having fewer work options is not nothing.

Re: Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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Post by code_for_monkey »

virtualritz wrote: post #399
aynyc wrote: post #271

As a long time NYC resident who moved out during Covid but commute to work in the city. I definitely noticed less traffic on the streets and less noise. I see a lot of talk of other cities that don't have good public transportation. For example, between Flushing in Queens to 8th Ave in Brooklyn, there are privately run buses at affordable rate and get you there at half the time of trains. There are buses from a lot o…

It's curious but unsurprising that privatization of public transport is considered an answer to congestion when existence of good (or great) public transport is the working answer one can find in many places around the world. When I visited NYC two years ago, I was blown away by how unbelievably bad public transport infrastructure is. The most flabbergasting thing was the absence of Metro ring lines around the center…

its hard to really get how culturally tied to cars Americans are. Politicians in NYC essentially act like 'a car' is the unit of citizenship in the country, and not 'a person'. We make laws so cars dont get offended, we prioritize them over lives and safety. Its honestly pretty crazy.
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