Please, correct the stupidly wrong title: the last Pope was an American!
No he wasn't.
Argentinia is in America, you know. Maybe not in North America or the US, but certainly in America.
First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV
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Work on your self hatred and open your mind please. There’s nothing tacky about an American pope. What are you talking about?
I love America, but America is hardly a very Catholic nation and this seems like a clear cut case of political pandering besides. I'm not a catholic but when I think Catholic I think ancient gilded and extravagant. America is the land of hamburgers, pickup trucks and Protestant megachurches. The two don't fit.
An Italian would make a better pope because the Roman Catholic Church is fundamentally Italian and it has been too long without an Italian pope. An African would be a good pope because they've never had one, despite a huge number of Catholics, present and future, being African.
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These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)
All are welcome Including atheists?
As long as you aren't a smug asshole about it, most religious people don't mind talking about religion with atheists. You have to be honestly interested in what they have to say and not just looking for a way to 'prove them wrong'
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Pretty sure the US presidential election is on par. Maybe the exact timing is ambiguous since candidates usually declare victory/admit defeat before all the votes have been counted officially, but still.
> Pretty sure the US presidential election is on par. Contested US elections are logistically, a huge mess that takes forever to resolve, and even when the writing is on the wall, everybody waits and hemms and hawws because , . (And that's not even counting the potential faithless electors, a potential coup in the House, conspiracies to commit election fraud directed from the president's office, etc.) Canadian electi…
Blue starts at Saskatchewan not MB. Please stop spreading this idea that everyone on the Prairies is analagous to a bible-thumping Albertan. Rural Ontario also
goes mostly conservative ; just like every other province, the split is urban and rural. Alberta and Sask buck this trend by having much higher consistent Con representation in the big cties. Manitoba does not. Only 2 Winnipeg ridings went Con and one was due to heavy vote splitting. Northern Mb is a consistent safe riding for the ndp or libs which is unheard of for a rural riding in AB or Sk.
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Work on your self hatred and open your mind please. There’s nothing tacky about an American pope. What are you talking about?
I love America, but America is hardly a very Catholic nation and this seems like a clear cut case of political pandering besides. I'm not a catholic but when I think Catholic I think ancient gilded and extravagant. America is the land of hamburgers, pickup trucks and Protestant megachurches. The two don't fit. An Italian would make a better pope because the Roman Catholic Church is fundamentally Italian and it has be…
When I think Italy I think pizza and Mussolini and Ferrari. When I think Africa I think radical Islam and fufu and the slave trade and colonialism and the lion king. I believe an American pope is a good choice and you don’t have an accurate view of America.
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I don't think Opus Dei spends a lot of time discussing Rerum Novarum , honestly.
What do they discuss? There is an Opus Dei church near me and I always wondered what was up
When I visited an Opus Dei house once for a philosophy lecture they were discussing Plato, the Timaeus in particular.
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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.
Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…
I disagree. 1% issue aside - There are things Trump has done that have no American precedent, such as Jan 6th, openly insisting he'll run for a 3rd term, and too many others to list here. In that sense he is absolutely an aberration.
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There’s a really interesting question here. Will the USA claim the right to tax the new pontiff? Likely answer is no, but legally the statute suggests yes. But who knows? There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.
> There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign. Éamon de Valera was born in New York City in 1882, and served as President of Ireland from 1959 to 1973 Bhumibol Adulyadej was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1927, and served as King of Thailand from 1946 until his death in 2016 That’s just two US-born individuals who became head of state of another country, there may be more. I assume bot…
I believe King Rama IX was not technically a U.S. citizen because his parents were considered foreign diplomats. In any case he never tried to claim citizenship and was only ever considered Thai.