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They picked an American, who actually lived and worked in Peru, and not archbishop of New York that Trump suggested.
If they want someone who can effectively oppose Trump, why would they pick someone he suggested?
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yeah Catholicism is kind of cool. I'm a lapsed Catholic myself (haven't been to church since I was like 12, except for weddings) but for occasions like this I feel a little bit more Catholic.
I might be atheist by now, but credit where it's due. Catholicism is not Evangelicism, where anything goes. Without a central doctrine, many American Evangelics just became... creepy as hell.
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I stand corrected. His brother is on the news saying this is fake news and he's a Sox fan.
Oh man, what a trip that must be: "my brother is the Pope"
As a record of how likely people considered this outcome: Prevost was hovering around 1% on Polymarket, and was <0.5% between white smoke and announcement.
Well, seems that conclaves really are notoriously unpredictable
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That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…
OTOH, 6 of the 9 supreme court justices are catholic so there might be some influence there although I think the influence is probably more from the somewhat uniquely American brand of conservative Catholicism.
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It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. I can remember the same conversations in the 1970’s, late 2000’s as well.
> I can remember the same conversations… Do you remember a president from those eras who when asked whether he believed that he was duty bound to uphold the Constitution answered “I don’t know.”? > It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. Funny? I’d rather say it’s pretty sad.
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> Cardinal Pizzaballa Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)
I have a coworker right now whose name is Carmelo Martini. Seriously, I had to ask him: "did your parents name you after their favorite drink?".
The drink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_(vermouth)
The company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_%26_Rossi
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Not just a majority, but I read 80% of Cardinals that voted in the conclave. Francis was a smart man, and he knew that in order for his policies to continue he would need to ensure a like-minded successor would be elected.
Isn't that true of most moderately long-serving popes? How does it ever result in major differences between popes?
2. It was only in 1970 that an age-cap was put on Cardinals in the conclave, which significantly increases the power of the previous pope has on his successor; this disqualifies 117 out of 251 Cardinals today.
3. There are certain positions that customarily come along with a cardinality; following this custom diluted the pope's power a bit. Francis did not follow this custom[1]
If you want a discussion of the papal selection, you could do worse than this substack post[2] from a week ago.
1: https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/no-more-princes-c...
2: https://decivitate.substack.com/p/de-civitates-very-traditio...
Some important bits:
> he expressed sympathy for George Floyd and criticized U.S. immigration policies
> Prevost advocated for stronger Church action against climate change
> Prevost opposes the ordination of women
> Prevost opposes euthanasia, abortion, and the death penalty. [...] In 2012, he criticized popular culture's sympathy for the "homosexual lifestyle" and same-sex families.
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Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".
It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.
This is to say, or rather explain, that I respect those who convert and have a predilection to Traditionalism. Part of the reason cradle Catholics drifted away is that the boomer generation basically ruined the mystique and the tradition, so when you're a kid it just felt like another chore.