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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

They picked an American, who actually lived and worked in Peru, and not archbishop of New York that Trump suggested.

Yep he's more of a citizen of the world than an American, otherwise I don't think he would have ever been considered. It also helps he was held in high regard by Pope Francis.

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You could educate yourself, you know, instead of trying to regurgitate something that someone else said that you thought looked clever. What would you call Americans? United Statesians? There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States o…

> There are two countries called the United States in North America

No, actually, there aren't.

> there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America.

No, México’s formal English name (which is an exact literal translation of its Spanish name) is United Mexican States (it is Estados Unidos Mexicanos not Estados Unidos de México)

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Current USA leadership is already taking actions well aligned with the church (such as stripping rights from women, homosexuals).

While the Church is conservative in some ways people dislike it also advocates things like peace, ending capital punishment, and nondescrimination based upon race. In my home city, the Church was the only place that wasn’t racist. For my entire life, the Church has been the only place in America with a majority that didn’t want to bomb poor brown people all over the planet. In modern America, not wanting to bomb peop…

Maybe the Roman Catholic Church* is that way. Evangelicals are not. They are for whatever their crazy leaders want, including blowing up brown people whenever they get in the way or cross borders. Also counting fascism as family values.

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You can (sort of) divide Catholic clergy into diocesan priests, who spend their careers managing the clerical hierarchy of a specific region, and religious-order priests, who belong to religious orders within the church --- the Jesuits, Franciscans, Augustinians, Dominicans, etc. The "religious" Clergy are thought to be in some sense less tied up in church politics.

and additionally each order has a "charisma", a specific focus and style, think pythonista vs crustacean vs C vs C++ vs Haskell longer vs lisper. each order attracts it's own flock. so now I need to check on Augustines... fun fact: Martin Luther was an Augustine monk.

They're bookish, which I like. I think the Jesuits are cooler though.

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Wait till you see how long Cardinal Pizzaballa who was viewed as the most likely Italian contender for the Papacy, has spent in the Holy Land and not Italy.

> Cardinal Pizzaballa Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

And I had to look it up to make sure you weren’t both leading me on. Now that’s a spicy surname!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierbattista_Pizzaballa

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> most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the US Ehh no. In school in Argentina you are taught that the whole continent is called America, then you have subcontinents in it (North/central/south), and I would guess other south american countries are the same. If you want to say citizen of the USA in Argentina you would call them yankees.

Do Argentinians regularly refer to themselves as Americans? I can't think of the last time I needed to describe myself as being from the continent, but if you really want to call yourselves Americans, I say go for it. People can call themselves whatever they like. Still, I can't help but notice Argentinean newspapers using americano to refer to refer to things from the US.

I see the same thing in lots of Spanish news, but some people will never believe it, so I usually just make my statement that I know is true and let the other commenters have their say as well, and leave it up to dear readers to make up their own minds.

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"Robert Barron, bishop of the Diocese of Winona–Rochester in Minnesota, was appointed less than a week ago by President Trump to the new White House Commission on Religious Liberty."

Honestly it looks like we've got a HNer quoting a journalist quoting a bishop quoting a cardinal. The cardinal who said 'until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope' died in 2015 (i.e. before Trump's first term) The bishop who quoted them does hold the post you mention - but they didn't originate the quote, they just quoted it.

Thanks for this. The quote-of-a-quote in the original article was confusing, made worse by the fact that it was said by Robert who is not the new Pope, formerly known as Robert.

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For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

I think it was Aristotle who said "Give me a child until his mid-twenties, and I will give you a complete American."

No the quote is "Show me a child in his mid twenties, and I will show you an american"

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It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

For most of history 99% of Catholics could not read, much less own a Bible. The fetishization of theology is not necessary to be a good Catholic

Literacy is a great gift which shouldn't be squandered: much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more. To try to make knowledge of ones spiritual heritage out to be "fetishization" is inappropriate in my estimation. This reminds me of a story told by Dr. Scott Hahn, a Catholic biblical scholar, about an experience he once had (closely paraphrased):

Questioner: "Why do we need to know all of this [bible study, theology, etc]? I can just think of the medieval peasant who is illiterate and thus disqualified from any and everything that you're talking about."

Dr. Hahn: "I think the best response to your question would actually come from the medieval peasant himself, because if you could imagine him standing here next to me he would look at you and say, 'You're using me as an excuse? You have books, you have literacy, you have access to these resources, and you're using me as an excuse to not take advantage of them?'"

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