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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by ashoeafoot »

somenameforme wrote: post #473
os2warpman wrote: post #357

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>He, much like all of military officials in NATO at the time, assumed it was going to be over after they landed in Kiev Military officials knew with no doubt whatsoever that the Ukrainians would fight like hell, and that they were better man-for-man, dollar-for-dollar, than the Russians. NATO officials' first-hand knowledge of the Ukrainian will to fight is why they begged their governments to allow shipments of mate…

As a peer mentioned, the 'Kiev will fall in 3 days' came from Mark Milley (US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time), not Russia. Beyond that, the decision was then near immediately made to lock all men of "fighting age" in the country, prevent them from leaving, and begin mass conscription. This is something that I hope, in the future, will be seen as no less barbaric than slavery. If people want to figh…

They found parade uniforms in those tanks that stalled out on the way to Kjiev.

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Post by nashashmi »

throwaway642012 wrote: post #451
nashashmi wrote: post #331

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India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities and it seeks displacement of the “majority” population of Kashmir because they have been seeking secession from India. Typically when a country has acted harmfully, world leaders of the west have intervened especially in the case of India and Pakistan because it is a great disruption to trade and profit. It seems this time the West is overwhelmed with several issue…

India, where minorities become Bollywood superstars, beloved musicians, richest men in Asia, and even presidents, has been notoriously hostile to minorities? I don’t think any other country in Asia has a track record like India when it comes to minorities. Let’s not get rhetoric and false propaganda into our way of critical thinking. India has flaws but it is steadily proving to be a responsible power in that geograp…

Yes, The same India where minority movie stars were rallied against from being featured in movies. https://time.com/6250414/bollywood-hindu-supremacists/

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Post by viraptor »

llm_nerd wrote: post #497
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You're not misremembering. The US government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, and the Russian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen. The mainstream media warned everyone the invasion was going to happen, and the financial markets responded. Some people don't have the sense to come in…

>the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen Quite contrary, the Ukrainian government was publicly saying that it was all bluffing. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60174684 Zelensky repeatedly said that the West was creating a panic. Ukraine's repelling of the attack was heroic and legendary, but the truth is that if it wasn't for the astonishing incompetence of the Russian…

> Zelensky repeatedly said that the West was creating a panic.

I still have no idea if it was serious, or a fake "look at us helpless and not preparing at all". It was reported in media that he was given early warnings and briefings from the US about the incoming attack. There are so many cases like that that were may never learn about for sure...

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Post by SetTheorist »

hayst4ck wrote: post #158
screye wrote: post #79

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India wants peace. A peaceful India threatens Pakistan's entire existence as a military state. Therefore, Pakistan keeps instigating with outrageously cruel terrorist attacks. There are no strategic goals here. Either side may recover some vantage points high up in the Himalayas. But that's about it.

Israel and Russia also want peace. China wants peace with Taiwan. The US wants peace with Greenland and Canada. You have to be careful with that word, peace, because all wars are defensive.

In what possible sense can you possible mean that "all wars are defensive"?

And it is absurd to claim that Russia wants peace. It can literally have peace anytime it wants by simply pulling its troops out of Ukrainian territory and ceasing the launching of missiles and drones on the populace.

The US threats on Canada and Greenland are not made with "peace" in mind.

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Post by datadrivenangel »

th3iedkid wrote: post #279
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

Looks like some of the locations were deep within Pakistan and were targeted precision strikes. They have also released video footage of many of the strikes https://idrw.org/indian-airstrikes-target-terror-infrastruct...

Massive misinformation out there, so be skeptical of anything that flatters anybody.

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madaxe_again wrote: post #272
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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Post by cake-rusk »

diggan wrote: post #503
cake-rusk wrote: post #487

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Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target even though they are hand in gloves with the Pak army.

> Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target Maybe we understand "military target" differently? Going by the Geneva Conventions: > In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling…

Sure I can agree with that definition but that's not what I had in mind. Loosely speaking Military target = any infrastructure / equipment officially owned by the military. Note this distiction is necessary here since pakistan has tree types of infra: military, terrorist and civilian. So when I say military target I mean not terrorist nor civilian just military.

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Post by spwa4 »

nindalf wrote: post #444
enugu wrote: post #420

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If you are actually arguing that a country targeted by a terrorist attack does not gain deterrence with a counterstrike relative to letting things go on, then how uniform do you consider this prescription? Should the terror attacks in the US or France not have had a military response? What happens to the incentives of terror groups in response to such a policy? --- The role of money only becomes an issue when conduct…

The Pakistani military cares about itself, above all. It wants to maintain its role as the primary protector of the Pakistani people, answerable to no one but themselves. As long as the threat of India looms large, their primacy is guaranteed. As a reward generals are allowed to grow filthy rich. Support for the Pakistani military was at its nadir during the era of benign neglect because there wasn't an Indian boogey…

> I fully expect that they'll fund more terrorists, leading to a constant cycle of violence.

Yes, that's the defining characteristic of all terrorist organizations. Get money, not through politics or production or economy, but by damaging others. Then get paid for not doing quite as much damage. This model has spread quite a bit in the past 5 years.

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Post by dboreham »

dmos62 wrote: post #300
sofixa wrote: post #219

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> Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy While Putin is undoubtedly deranged, I think his goals with invading had much more to do with delusions of grandeur and trying to rebuild the Russian/Soviet empire than wanting the "benefit" of a "wartime economy". Russia was drastically unprep…

There's as many theories about why Putin and Kremlin did what they did as there are war analyst books on it. Some of them are more right than others, but at the end of the day, if I'm honest, I'm as confused as I was in 2014. Which is a problem not only for my curiosity: if Western policymakers are as confused as me, it's difficult to craft a good policy: we're effectively playing half-court tennis (to quote Sarah C.…

Usually the answer to why a crazy country leader did something odd has to do with "not waking up dead tomorrow".

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Post by legolas2412 »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #204
dd_xplore wrote: post #92

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Like US co-ordinated with Paxtan to destroy laden? The laden who was hiding near a military base in Paxtan?

This always seems really disingenuous to me. He was hiding in an extremely concealed manner. Never ever went outside, and it's not as if the Pakistani military can just break into every house nearby and search for him everywhere. How they caught him was crazy in and of itself, and required fake vaccination drives, another thing no military can do to its own people to catch terrorists. I really don't think they are bl…

Please read about Dr. Shakil Afridi. The doctor who helped CIA find Laden has been in Pakistani prison for a decade plus now, on false drummed up charges.

Why are you sure that Pakistan is not supporting terrorists now, after decades and decades of evidence otherwise?

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