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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by justin66 »

lostlogin wrote: post #367
navane wrote: post #337

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I agree with you now, but I also remember everyone, all kinds of experts, saying Putin is just postering. I think it's important to remember that. It is important to note when things are not normal. Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Unfortunately, we as people are very good at rationalizing after the fact "oh of course this was coming", shrugging our shoulders and just moving on as if nothin…

> Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Was it? The scale was surprising, but troop build ups were noted ahead of time and Russia had been fighting in Ukraine for many years. Am I misremembering?

You're not misremembering.

The US government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, the Ukrainian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen, and the Russian government warned everyone the invasion was really going to happen. The mainstream media warned everyone the invasion was going to happen, and the financial markets responded.

Some people don't have the sense to come in out of the rain.

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Post by nonethewiser »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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>People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland, which rather famously spiraled into World War 2

The analogy isnt a great fit.

Germany hadn't previously invaded Poland (and vice-versa) many times leading up to that point.

A missile strike and an invasion are on completely different levels.

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Post by somenameforme »

os2warpman wrote: post #357
krainboltgreene wrote: post #235

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I agree with most of this except maybe the "soviet empire" bit. His recent mentions of it (within the last 3 years) has been about how the fall of the Soviet Union broke up the "historical russian" borders. For Ukraine specifically he compared himself to Russian Czar Peter the Great. A long time ago he lamented the fall of the Soviet Union which is especially hilarious as he was very likely involved in and vultured o…

>He, much like all of military officials in NATO at the time, assumed it was going to be over after they landed in Kiev Military officials knew with no doubt whatsoever that the Ukrainians would fight like hell, and that they were better man-for-man, dollar-for-dollar, than the Russians. NATO officials' first-hand knowledge of the Ukrainian will to fight is why they begged their governments to allow shipments of mate…

As a peer mentioned, the 'Kiev will fall in 3 days' came from Mark Milley (US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time), not Russia. Beyond that, the decision was then near immediately made to lock all men of "fighting age" in the country, prevent them from leaving, and begin mass conscription.

This is something that I hope, in the future, will be seen as no less barbaric than slavery. If people want to fight for their country, then they absolutely should. But if people don't want to fight for their country, then they should never be able to be forced to - it's a mockery of any notion of human rights.

There's many things in this world I would be willing to die for, but a country? The notion feels quaint. Of course I realize this means that any country that does set aside such rights would have a tremendous military edge, but perhaps in such a world where human rights are held as more than a placard of convenience, the notion of dying for one's country might no longer seem so quaint.

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Post by nonethewiser »

Symmetry wrote: post #456
pmontra wrote: post #186

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China and India are still formally at war since the 60s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War and there is an ongoing dispute over territories in the east of India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute The latter still makes the news in the West sometimes, not every year. HNers from those countries might give us some insights about how much their people feel it important.

My wife is from China and when I ask her what people there think of the India/China border disputes she says that people aren't aware of them.

Doesnt surprise me much. It's very far from 95% of the population and China doesnt have much to gain by being loud about the border skirmishes.

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Post by jajko »

slt2021 wrote: post #103
neom wrote: post #67

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I lived in Manhattan for 20 years and during the Obama years I was traveling across the country a lot, was very obvious to me Trump was coming but people thought I was nuts. I'd head back to the city and sip a cosmo thinking "people really love to hate 'other'".

I tend to take Marxist view: elites always exploit the common man, and when the common man becomes unhappy, it is the best strategy to channel hate towards the Other so that regular folk dont start asking inconvenient questions. Like every time there is small blip in economy in the Us, it is always illegals and immigrants in general and poor people are blamed. Always. Never have I ever seen a PE billionaire getting b…

You overestimate rich folk's ability to woo masses while staying completely hidden, with some ultra nefarious agendas. There are some ways to achieve some stuff but there are many conflicting interests even up there.

The simple, but way more sad fact of life is - people, when we create large enough population, are pretty stupid. We are well capable to fuck ourselves up without anybody behind the wheel driving it. And its not just 'them', its all of us.

Humans are not that great, individuals can achieve greatness in some narrow meaning (and since its pretty rare its so celebrated, confirming what I write), sure but overall we are pretty dumb highly emotional beasts, trivial to manipulate like a baby doll. 99% of that is via emotions, the aspect of our existence we have almost no control of.

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Post by Reubachi »

diggan wrote: post #460
cake-rusk wrote: post #457

India said no Pak military targets were hit. If Pakistan downed Indian jets you can bet military targets would have been hit.

According to the submission, this is what India said: > India said it struck nine "terrorist infrastructure" sites, some of them linked to an attack by Islamist militants on Hindu tourists that killed 26 people in Indian Kashmir last month. Four of the sites were in Punjab and five in Pakistani Kashmir, it said. Since you're saying this is a lie, maybe link to some source for this, since the source we currently have…

You must have misread, OP is saying that IN did not confirm/mentioned downed Aircraft.

They of course did confirm downing military targets, that is...the title of the submission we are discussing.

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Post by gps372 »

LordGrignard wrote: post #459
suprjami wrote: post #350

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Congratulating war is disgusting. What's your next post? Fawning over how cool "Final Solution" sounds?

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Apparently, some folks have either been blissfully unaware of reality or are just desperate to parade their performative wokeness.

The terrorists made sure to ask the religion of the Sindoor before symbolically erasing it—because apparently, even brutality comes with selective targeting.

And in a poetic twist, the government and the Army honored those very women—while unapologetically ramming that same religion right back down the throats of the terror industry’s headquarters.

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Post by tomhow »

kumarvvr wrote: post #157

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43911404 and marked it offtopic.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by arjun1296 »

ivape wrote: post #63
neom wrote: post #60

I've been thinking recently about how business has been a pretty decent wrapper around wars and killings, arenas, lands, whatever, just: competing for human death. However, I've also been thinking that in late stage capitalism, genuine entrepreneurship is probably increasingly difficult to get into, leading to less genuine opportunity, leading to less business, leading to idle hands, leading to the devils workshop.

You know, I sit on a few Christian discords and all they do on it is fight between each other (denomination vs denomination). They sit around and combatively go after each other and there is also interfaith beef that happens constantly on those Discords (Muslims vs Christians is a big one). It's almost like ... yeah, I have to agree with you. It's almost like if the human doesn't have a true and good outlet for energ…

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