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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by impossiblefork »

jjude wrote: post #287
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, Pakistan has nothing to lose. So there are lots of incentives for Pakistan army to go rogue.

Pakistan has everything to lose. They are totally dependent on India for reliable water supply, i.e. for getting something other thana drought-flood cycle.

Military action is only going to lead to India being less willing to give them an even supply. They are totally dependent on keeping India happy, and now of course, they've failed to do that by allowing these recent murders.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by graemep »

madaxe_again wrote: post #272
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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> What possible reason would Putin have for invading Ukraine?

He said he would, and what would trigger the decision at least as early as 2008.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by arjun1296 »

mrtksn wrote: post #194
kumarvvr wrote: post #155

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> every one gets what they want India wants Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism. Everyone did not get what they want.

Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from thes…

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by saagarjha »

kumarvvr wrote: post #247
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #234

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> When Pakistan was split from India, because of the Muslims voting against their own land that they have been living in for centuries, the lines are set and done Lines are never "set and done for." We had a short period of global consensus around the unacceptability of taking territory by force. But between the superpowers' proxy wars, America's invasion of Iraq, China's annexation of Tibet and threats on Taiwan, an…

One does not negotiate with terrorist supporting military dictatorships.

Pakistan is not a military dictatorship, at least not in its current form. Terrorist supporting, maaaaybe. But a lot of countries are terrorist supporting, and the world is happy to negotiate with them.

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Post by arjun1296 »

nashashmi wrote: post #335
ganarajpr wrote: post #317

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India wants instability in Pakistan and seeks its fragmentation. It has been trying to promote a revolution in Sindh for a long time. Balochistan is second. This model was used against Soviets, to break up a nuclear country by ruining it financially then enticing it into war. India has supported jihadi groups in Kashmir to spur conflict in the country so it can have reasons to wage war. This is proven since late 90s.…

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by saagarjha »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
alephnerd wrote: post #115

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> involves swapping land, specifically, ceding Muslim-dominant territory to Pakistan The sectors on the Indian side where fighting is happening right now in Jammu Division are 50-50 Muslim-Hindu/Sikh. What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing. > setting borders along rivers It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent.

> What you are advocating would lead to Yugoslav style ethnic cleansing Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Particularly not when you’re dealing with the levels of education in J&K. > It already is that on the LoC, or mountain faces where rivers are not existent And. Having a river with a sectarian cross isn’…

> Yes. When you have a sectarian conflict, the only lasting solution is moving people around. Hateful people don’t learn to stop hating each other. Particularly not when you’re dealing with the levels of education in J&K.

"We should do my poorly thought out plan because they're too dumb to stop killing each other" is not a reasonable way to discuss geopolitics.

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Post by lostlogin »

navane wrote: post #337
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #333

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The competition to Putin entering Ukraine is obviously ridiculous. Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya, and leads a vast network of para militaries that are fighting all over Africa as well. Heck, Putin had literally attacked and conquered a whole area of Ukraine itself not even a decade ago. Anyone who was saying Putin would not attack Ukraine either had no knowledge at all about…

I agree with you now, but I also remember everyone, all kinds of experts, saying Putin is just postering. I think it's important to remember that. It is important to note when things are not normal. Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move. Unfortunately, we as people are very good at rationalizing after the fact "oh of course this was coming", shrugging our shoulders and just moving on as if nothin…

> Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move.

Was it? The scale was surprising, but troop build ups were noted ahead of time and Russia had been fighting in Ukraine for many years.

Am I misremembering?

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by arjun1296 »

digitalPhonix wrote: post #20

From the article: > Pakistan said India hit three sites with missiles, and a military spokesman told Reuters his country shot down five Indian aircraft, a claim not confirmed by India. That’s a huge loss of aircraft! Are there any corroborating reports or more details about the aircraft/shootdown?

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Post by enugu »

nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

> They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction.

This does not make sense. When France attacked Daesh in 2015 after the terrorist attacks in Paris or when the US attacked Afghanistan after 9/11, the objective wasn't to target the exact people who carried out the attacks, but the organization behind the attacks. People can always be found as long as the organization remains.

The goal of the attacks would be to make any future terrorist attack an expensive option for the Pakistani military as opposed to something which can be done routinely. There was a sharp drop in the terrorist attacks in Kashmir after the 2019 confrontation.

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