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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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It's also worth pointing out that whatever nonsense the terrorists were on about will now just get reinforced. You could be talking about a more agitated situation with even more terror attacks. This is how bullshit like this escalates. They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I also thought the Ukraine war wasn't "really" going to happen. Humans will human.

> They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I think the past 30 years have demonstrated enough that Pakistan is only paying lip service when they denounce attacks like this At best they don't care, and at worst they sponsor the terrorists directly, but they definitely are not trying to help anyone stop attacks like this or root out their extremists

> root out their extremists

Pakistanis themselves are subject to numerous terror incidents. I'm not sure what causes folks to automatically assume Muslim nations support "extremists" as a policy. Sure, there may be power brokers who do, but that's the case for any country, democratic or not.

  On 16 December 2014, six gunmen affiliated with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan [attacked] the Army Public School in Peshawar. The terrorists ... [a Chechen, 3 Arabs and 2 Afghans] opened fire ... killing 149 people including 132 school children, making it the world's fifth deadliest school massacre ... led to Pakistan establishing the National Action Plan to crack down on terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Peshawar_school_massacre

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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So, a country where the incumbent party loses its parliamentary majority and has to rely on smaller regional parties is fascist?

the Nazis only tallied 43.9 percent of the vote on their own, well short of a majority to govern alone

The Weimar Republic wasn't fascist either. The Nazis immediately banned all other parties after they seized power. They didn't win outright majorities in two consecutive free elections, spend a decade in power and then lose. So, whatever analogy you're trying to draw doesn't really work.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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> They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I think the past 30 years have demonstrated enough that Pakistan is only paying lip service when they denounce attacks like this At best they don't care, and at worst they sponsor the terrorists directly, but they definitely are not trying to help anyone stop attacks like this or root out their extremists

You may not be aware of this, but terrorists inside Pakistan kill Pakistani military servicemen on a weekly basis. India's attack on Pakistan are counterproductive. It will fuel the fire and the crazies will kill more Indians and Pakistanis as a result.

Geopolitical decisions like this are always ‘least bad’. The Modi gov’t in India is not as strong as it looks, and they couldn’t continue to function if they let such a high profile and obviously religiously motivated terrorist attack go ‘unanswered’.

The water threats are the real leverage, but without some obvious military action they’d be skinned alive by the Hindu hardliners (Hindutvas).

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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This always seems really disingenuous to me. He was hiding in an extremely concealed manner. Never ever went outside, and it's not as if the Pakistani military can just break into every house nearby and search for him everywhere. How they caught him was crazy in and of itself, and required fake vaccination drives, another thing no military can do to its own people to catch terrorists. I really don't think they are bl…

Paxtan has always sheltered terrorists, even now they are providing security to LeT, JeM etc.

Hasn't Pak banned both LeT and JeM?

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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> They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I think the past 30 years have demonstrated enough that Pakistan is only paying lip service when they denounce attacks like this At best they don't care, and at worst they sponsor the terrorists directly, but they definitely are not trying to help anyone stop attacks like this or root out their extremists

You may not be aware of this, but terrorists inside Pakistan kill Pakistani military servicemen on a weekly basis. India's attack on Pakistan are counterproductive. It will fuel the fire and the crazies will kill more Indians and Pakistanis as a result.

Pakistan has a concept of good terrorists and bad terrorists. Terrorists against India (JeM, LeT) are good terrorists. They are protected and trained by Pakistan army (e.g. protection given to JeM leader). Good terrorists are sometimes declared dead to avoid international scrutiny while protected clandestinely (Sajid Mir).

Bad terrorists are of course that attack Pakistani Army (e.g. Baloch Liberation Army).

Notable is how Osama was protected by Pakistan army as he was a useful indirect source of income (war on terror)

Indias attack was aimed at the Good Terrorists of Pakistan. The hope is to reduce their capabilities. Not sure how much successful they have been though.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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I agree with most of this except maybe the "soviet empire" bit. His recent mentions of it (within the last 3 years) has been about how the fall of the Soviet Union broke up the "historical russian" borders. For Ukraine specifically he compared himself to Russian Czar Peter the Great. A long time ago he lamented the fall of the Soviet Union which is especially hilarious as he was very likely involved in and vultured o…

>He, much like all of military officials in NATO at the time, assumed it was going to be over after they landed in Kiev Military officials knew with no doubt whatsoever that the Ukrainians would fight like hell, and that they were better man-for-man, dollar-for-dollar, than the Russians. NATO officials' first-hand knowledge of the Ukrainian will to fight is why they begged their governments to allow shipments of mate…

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-w... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/28/the-battle-for... https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_221723.htm

Ok

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Talking about armed brinksmanship between two nuclear powers is sooooo random, maybe a more specialized community like they have on Reddit is more your speed?

Thanks for the judgment, but I think you might have missed the point I was making.

If you can’t take the news, get out of the aggregator.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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I agree with most of this except maybe the "soviet empire" bit. His recent mentions of it (within the last 3 years) has been about how the fall of the Soviet Union broke up the "historical russian" borders. For Ukraine specifically he compared himself to Russian Czar Peter the Great. A long time ago he lamented the fall of the Soviet Union which is especially hilarious as he was very likely involved in and vultured o…

The economy seems to be working still (numbers go up), because its a full on war-economy. You eat your country from the inside out, everything you produce explodes, and there's no way to transition out of it except by winning the war.

Yes I said that.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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So, a country where the incumbent party loses its parliamentary majority and has to rely on smaller regional parties is fascist?

Fascism is the actions you take, not how much of a majority you have.

> Fascism is the actions you take

Losing a majority after a decade in power seems like the opposite of what a fascist regime would do.

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