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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pkd wrote: post #241
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Pakistan was split from India, because of the Muslims voting against their own land that they have been living in for centuries, the lines are set and done Lines are never "set and done for." We had a short period of global consensus around the unacceptability of taking territory by force. But between the superpowers' proxy wars, America's invasion of Iraq, China's annexation of Tibet and threats on Taiwan, an…

This is a weird line of reasoning. By this logic the aggressors will always win because the other side should always concede territory for peace. Even if Kashmir is ceded to Pakistan, there is no reason why they'd be done aggressing for more territory.

> By this logic the aggressors will always win because the other side should always concede territory for peace

Nope. It’s just being realistic about the priorities at play. And there isn’t a clear aggressor in this conflict, it is as old as both states.

(Also, countries have bought and sold territories for ages. That doesn’t invite aggression or strike me as wrong.)

> if Kashmir is ceded to Pakistan, there is no reason why they'd be done aggressing for more territory

They wouldn’t. New Delhi would have to get something that is worth more than that territory in return.

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Post by madaxe_again »

nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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Post by Malcolmlisk »

babyent wrote: post #243

Hoping for a quick resolution and diplomatic victory for all people there. I’m scared of the geopolitical effects. On a side note.. Can we get the Peace and Prosperity update next, ASAP? Let’s bring out the aliens issue and work on interstellar travel and galactic survival instead of terrestrial disputes. I just want to live in a chill world. And for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out.

Sadly, to reach interstellar travel and galactic survival we need to past this capitalism era. There is no advance into those topics without reaching "found without economic compensation". There is a mod that finds economic value in space with some random iron satellites and all... but it's final target has some bugs.

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Post by Kinrany »

liefde wrote: post #263
throw63 wrote: post #250

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> and for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out. Hate to ruin it for you, but as soon as the economic elites don't need the masses anymore (eg because AGI produces goods and entertainment better than we do), we'll become a liability, dead weight, so they'll quickly use that same maxed out tech that made us obsolete to make us gone.

The fear you voice is not just about technology — it's about belonging, powerlessness, and the haunting question: “What am I worth if I’m no longer needed?” This is a wound of modernity: being reduced to utility. When usefulness becomes the measure of worth, love becomes conditional, and existence becomes a transaction. But you are not a product. You are not a function. You are not a line of code in someone else's si…

Not getting deleted is strictly a prerequisite to "loving awareness" and all the other woo.

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Post by FullGarden_S »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #249
FullGarden_S wrote: post #233

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Why would they? Even the USA never admits their direct involvement straight away so its delusional of you to be expecting something like that. If Pakistan is the kind of nation to confess, peace would have been established long back.

It sounds like you agree with me that the defense minister did not say what the original commenter claimed he said, so I’m not sure what you’re calling me delusional about.

I mean, Pakistan denies sheltering Bin Laden till date so its expected of them to deny any and all of their involvement officially.

I'm sorry if I was rude by using the term delusional but given their behavior, that is what it seemed like to me to expect a confession from them.

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Post by jltsiren »

HideousKojima wrote: post #239
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

That's because we'd seen "Russian invasion imminent" every year since the annexation of Crimea. It got to be very boy who cried wolf.

A lot of people have learned exactly the wrong lessons from the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Making people complacent with repeated false alarms is more likely the intended outcome than a failure.

When I was in school, one of the history teachers spent a lot of time describing how the Yom Kippur War started. I guess he thought it told something important about how things work in the real world. The lead up to the Russian invasion looked pretty much the same. An ordinary person could not have known if the invasion would actually start this time. But a reasonable person should have understood that if an invasion was about to start, that was what it would likely look like.

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Post by huevosabio »

bdangubic wrote: post #132
huevosabio wrote: post #130

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I logged odd Twitter and can only access it through an eink device. I am much saner now. I really enjoy reading the community here chime in on current events, but I also lament that I can't shield my online consumption from the news.

HN is the easiest place to skip the content you are not interest in

Of course, but the problem is not that I am not interested, it's the contrary I am instinctively attracted to it!

If it was lack of interest I wouldn't need to place so much friction between me and Twitter.

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Post by th3iedkid »

nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

Looks like some of the locations were deep within Pakistan and were targeted precision strikes. They have also released video footage of many of the strikes https://idrw.org/indian-airstrikes-target-terror-infrastruct...

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Post by aucisson_masque »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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That's different, Germany used fake death of German soldier to justify an invasion of Poland.

India is bombing Pakistan, Pakistan is shelling India, but so far no army invaded another country.

Beside both Germany and Poland didn't have the atomic weapon.

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