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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by nashashmi »

chvid wrote: post #322

There is a lot of Indian English-language media on YouTube and Twitter. There the war drums have been sounding strongly for the past weeks. They seem to draw a parallel between India/Kashmir/Pakistan and Israel/Gaza/Iran - seeing India as the superior and morally just super power against a weak corrupt dysfunctional terrorist-sponsoring Pakistan. So in that thinking right now there is an opportunity to get a final so…

India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities and it seeks displacement of the “majority” population of Kashmir because they have been seeking secession from India. Typically when a country has acted harmfully, world leaders of the west have intervened especially in the case of India and Pakistan because it is a great disruption to trade and profit. It seems this time the West is overwhelmed with several issues including the backlash against Israel from its own people, that they are exhausted.

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Post by jjude »

pm90 wrote: post #297
jjude wrote: post #287

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> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, Pakistan has nothing to lose. So there are lots of incentives for Pakistan army to go rogue.

This isn’t how anything works. Both India and Pakistan depend on imported military hardware. Every time they’ve fought each other they’ve been embargoed. So every kind of engagement has an implicit timer before the military literally runs out of munitions to continue any kind of serious war.

This is what then PM Nawaz Sharif said about Kargil war:

> After the war, Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of Pakistan during the Kargil conflict, claimed that he was unaware of the plans, and that he first learned about the situation when he received an urgent phone call from Atal Bihari Vajpayee, his counterpart in India. Sharif attributed the plan to Musharraf and "just two or three of his cronies", a view shared by some Pakistani writers who have stated that only four generals, including Musharraf, knew of the plan.

Possible he was lying. But this is an accepted view even in the Pakistan.

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102
bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

The competition to Putin entering Ukraine is obviously ridiculous.

Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya, and leads a vast network of para militaries that are fighting all over Africa as well.

Heck, Putin had literally attacked and conquered a whole area of Ukraine itself not even a decade ago.

Anyone who was saying Putin would not attack Ukraine either had no knowledge at all about how Putin operated or was willfully misleading.

India has shown no such imperial intentions that Putin has demonstrated and spoken about multiple times both before and since his attempt to take over Ukraine.

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Post by cheema33 »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #85
ivape wrote: post #80

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It's also worth pointing out that whatever nonsense the terrorists were on about will now just get reinforced. You could be talking about a more agitated situation with even more terror attacks. This is how bullshit like this escalates. They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I also thought the Ukraine war wasn't "really" going to happen. Humans will human.

> They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I think the past 30 years have demonstrated enough that Pakistan is only paying lip service when they denounce attacks like this At best they don't care, and at worst they sponsor the terrorists directly, but they definitely are not trying to help anyone stop attacks like this or root out their extremists

You may not be aware of this, but terrorists inside Pakistan kill Pakistani military servicemen on a weekly basis.

India's attack on Pakistan are counterproductive. It will fuel the fire and the crazies will kill more Indians and Pakistanis as a result.

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Post by nashashmi »

ganarajpr wrote: post #317
mrtksn wrote: post #194

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Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from thes…

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India wants instability in Pakistan and seeks its fragmentation. It has been trying to promote a revolution in Sindh for a long time. Balochistan is second.

This model was used against Soviets, to break up a nuclear country by ruining it financially then enticing it into war.

India has supported jihadi groups in Kashmir to spur conflict in the country so it can have reasons to wage war. This is proven since late 90s.

India has always been a hostile conquering force, with its seizure of Hyderabad in 1951 and seizure of Sikkim in 1949. OTOH, Pakistan gave up territories with majority Hindu populations if it desired to join India.

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Post by OJFord »

sbmthakur wrote: post #304
digitalPhonix wrote: post #20

From the article: > Pakistan said India hit three sites with missiles, and a military spokesman told Reuters his country shot down five Indian aircraft, a claim not confirmed by India. That’s a huge loss of aircraft! Are there any corroborating reports or more details about the aircraft/shootdown?

Their claim went from 2 to 3 to 6 to 5. So, I will be careful about such news.

Also from 'we have captured some Indian soldiers' to 'we have not' (both times the Pakistani defence minister) in an hour or so.

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Post by navane »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #333
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

The competition to Putin entering Ukraine is obviously ridiculous. Putin had already attacked multiple countries before. Georgia, Chechnya, and leads a vast network of para militaries that are fighting all over Africa as well. Heck, Putin had literally attacked and conquered a whole area of Ukraine itself not even a decade ago. Anyone who was saying Putin would not attack Ukraine either had no knowledge at all about…

I agree with you now, but I also remember everyone, all kinds of experts, saying Putin is just postering. I think it's important to remember that.

It is important to note when things are not normal. Putin actually invading Ukraine was a very unexpected move.

Unfortunately, we as people are very good at rationalizing after the fact "oh of course this was coming", shrugging our shoulders and just moving on as if nothing happened. "It is what it is, this too shall pass".

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Post by chvid »

nashashmi wrote: post #331
chvid wrote: post #322

There is a lot of Indian English-language media on YouTube and Twitter. There the war drums have been sounding strongly for the past weeks. They seem to draw a parallel between India/Kashmir/Pakistan and Israel/Gaza/Iran - seeing India as the superior and morally just super power against a weak corrupt dysfunctional terrorist-sponsoring Pakistan. So in that thinking right now there is an opportunity to get a final so…

India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities and it seeks displacement of the “majority” population of Kashmir because they have been seeking secession from India. Typically when a country has acted harmfully, world leaders of the west have intervened especially in the case of India and Pakistan because it is a great disruption to trade and profit. It seems this time the West is overwhelmed with several issue…

Yes. Right now the thinking in the west seems to be that India has a bigger role to play in terms of geopolitics as a replacement of / balance against China. And India seems to have picked up on this and sees a greater opportunity to act in areas where it otherwise would have been constrained by the west.

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Post by cheema33 »

alephnerd wrote: post #121
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

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> 2019 is a good example of UAE using it's heft This is not projecting power, it's the UAE (and Qatar) playing their aspirational roles as the new Davos/Switzerland for diplomacy. Pakistan is definitely more anti-peace than India. But while Islamabad undermines peace, New Delhi is mostly uninterested in it.

> Pakistan is definitely more anti-peace than India. But while Islamabad undermines peace, New Delhi is mostly uninterested in it. That's a framing I agree with. > This is not projecting power, it's the UAE (and Qatar) playing their aspirational roles as the new Davos/Switzerland for diplomacy. Sure, but in India-Pakistan relations, they (UAE and KSA, not Qatar) are increasingly the only mediators with whom both part…

> I dislike Trump - I primarily only agree with his tariff policy, nothing else.

Just out of curiosity, what about this tariff policy do you like?

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