Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 714 posts

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#311

Post by jajko »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #257
krainboltgreene wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of this except maybe the "soviet empire" bit. His recent mentions of it (within the last 3 years) has been about how the fall of the Soviet Union broke up the "historical russian" borders. For Ukraine specifically he compared himself to Russian Czar Peter the Great. A long time ago he lamented the fall of the Soviet Union which is especially hilarious as he was very likely involved in and vultured o…

4.6% growth, 10% inflation, and interest rates at 21% is not great.

But its far from bottom of how much general russian population is willing to suffer before next bloody revolution happens. I don't talk about wealthy educated people from moscow or st petersburg (at least those that didn't leave), they are on purpose less targeted by whats happening, but rather permanently subjugated populations from poor regions whose lives changed comparatively little compared to cold war.

Prigozhin had a last real chance, you could see how much common folks and most of army immediately aligned with them. But when they took hostages whole families of his mercenary group leaders, they backed down with predictable results. Interestingly not all aligned generals were executed, I expected bigger purge. Maybe he would be much worse though.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#312

Post by aa-jv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #305
aa-jv wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>delusions of grandeur How do you come to this conclusion - have you been studying Putins' speeches in the last 3 years, or analysed some of the policies that led to this conclusion? Did you see his recent interview on Croatian TV where he discusses this specifically? EDIT: hey downvoters - is it not valid to study world leaders' directly rather than going through a third party .. ?

> have you been studying Putins' speeches in the last 3 years, or analysed some of the policies that led to this conclusion? Yes. By his ex ante metrics, his war has thoroughly backfired. By the current aims, it's absolutely delusionally revanchist.

>ex ante metrics

So, based on potential future events, you've come to this conclusion.

But I don't see any current evidence to support the claim. Can you clarify your position?

You saw his interview on Croatia TV recently? His statements refute your position.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#313

Post by JumpCrisscross »

aa-jv wrote: post #312
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have you been studying Putins' speeches in the last 3 years, or analysed some of the policies that led to this conclusion? Yes. By his ex ante metrics, his war has thoroughly backfired. By the current aims, it's absolutely delusionally revanchist.

>ex ante metrics So, based on potential future events, you've come to this conclusion. But I don't see any current evidence to support the claim. Can you clarify your position? You saw his interview on Croatia TV recently? His statements refute your position.

> based on potential future events, you've come to this conclusion

No. I'm saying by the goals he set out before the war, he has failed.

> You saw his interview on Croatia TV recently? His statements refute your position

Putin is sort of like Trump in that he messages multiple messages. We cannot know what is in his mind. But Putin has repeatedly made revanchist nonsense statements about Russia's sphere of influence and imperial downfall. He's also said that's not what Russia wants. But that's (a) recent and (b) unsubstantiated by the facts ont the ground.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#314

Post by arjun1296 »

pm90 wrote: post #296
dyauspitr wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but if you’re a part of the region you know India is not stupid or expansionary. No Indian is really worried about this turning into a full scale war.

I wouldn’t be so sure. It is easy for the tit-tat to spiral out of control. Any kind of military skirmish is very concerning… we should stop the fighting while we still can.

[dead]

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#315

Post by aa-jv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #313
aa-jv wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>ex ante metrics So, based on potential future events, you've come to this conclusion. But I don't see any current evidence to support the claim. Can you clarify your position? You saw his interview on Croatia TV recently? His statements refute your position.

> based on potential future events, you've come to this conclusion No. I'm saying by the goals he set out before the war, he has failed. > You saw his interview on Croatia TV recently? His statements refute your position Putin is sort of like Trump in that he messages multiple messages. We cannot know what is in his mind. But Putin has repeatedly made revanchist nonsense statements about Russia's sphere of influence…

>No. I'm saying by the goals he set out before the war, he has failed.

Fine, but what were those goals, where/when did he set them out and what is the current status? I'd like to study this issue myself - so any sources you can provide?

>We cannot know what is in his mind.

Yet you claim to know, which is why I'm interested - if you don't believe his words, what basis do you have to make the assertion that you know his real intentions?

As far as I can tell (and I am merely hours away from the Ukraine border), the land he has occupied is precisely what he set out to achieve, and it doesn't look like that is about to change any time soon.

So please, share your references. I'd quite like to understand how you can make such conclusions with such certainty, while doubting the words of the very individual responsible for it. I remain unconvinced you've observed any of his recent public statements with regards to Russia's position with Europe.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#316

Post by jajko »

aa-jv wrote: post #292
sofixa wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy While Putin is undoubtedly deranged, I think his goals with invading had much more to do with delusions of grandeur and trying to rebuild the Russian/Soviet empire than wanting the "benefit" of a "wartime economy". Russia was drastically unprep…

>delusions of grandeur How do you come to this conclusion - have you been studying Putins' speeches in the last 3 years, or analysed some of the policies that led to this conclusion? Did you see his recent interview on Croatian TV where he discusses this specifically? EDIT: hey downvoters - is it not valid to study world leaders' directly rather than going through a third party .. ?

You mean his PR which is pretty pathetic but I presume its fine with... say less educated folks downing bottles of vodka like there is no tomorrow for whom its intended?

Bunch of lies, massive ego masturbation, constant feeling of being hurt by various external enemies (thats sort of russian trademark), a massive inferiority complex while expressing grandeur and superiority above others completely ignoring the fact russia as a nation, culture, philosophy, system etc. is the most hated one globally.

They view even rest of slavic megatribe as subhumans variously not worthy of independence, freedom, self-determination. Just look at their actions, his talk or his lapdog peskov' doesn't matter. The important thing you seem to miss to look primarily on actions, not some empty PR for simpler folks. Dude, I've been enslaved by russian/soviet military forces most of my childhood, I know very well what they bring to any society and how they shape it to their liking.

Just a typical sociopathic dictator out of touch with reality, nothing special there. The fact he is smart and put few sentences together doesn't matter at all, he is a vicious mass murderer completely out of touch with reality internally and externally, and a horrible manager of russia, damaging it severely and destroying any respect that nation and culture ever had. This started well before covid but that period cut him off completely.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#317

Post by ganarajpr »

mrtksn wrote: post #194
kumarvvr wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every one gets what they want India wants Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism. Everyone did not get what they want.

Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from thes…

[flagged]

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#318

Post by dd_xplore »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #204
dd_xplore wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like US co-ordinated with Paxtan to destroy laden? The laden who was hiding near a military base in Paxtan?

This always seems really disingenuous to me. He was hiding in an extremely concealed manner. Never ever went outside, and it's not as if the Pakistani military can just break into every house nearby and search for him everywhere. How they caught him was crazy in and of itself, and required fake vaccination drives, another thing no military can do to its own people to catch terrorists. I really don't think they are bl…

Paxtan has always sheltered terrorists, even now they are providing security to LeT, JeM etc.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#319

Post by sbmthakur »

oefrha wrote: post #288
anukin wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 jets shot down is fake news. There is no evidence of that. It’s a claim by Pakistani govt to appease the domestic population.

I’m sure this Reuters report with photos of wreckage is fake news: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/three-fighter-jet...

Those are fuel tanks, not jets. And their source is "four local government sources". In a conflict fueled with massive disinformation I would rely on something more concrete.

Re: India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

#320

Post by fooker »

bilbo0s wrote: post #114
fooker wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. China has been building Chinese-only gated company towns in Pakistani military properties for a couple of years now.

China has been building Chinese-only gated company towns in Pakistani military properties OK. Now I'm a bit skeptical as well. I mean, the Chinese have been building Chinese-only gated company towns in [insert global south nation here] military [and everywhere else] properties for a long time now. Not really sure how that translates into Chinese authoritative decision making in matters of wars between nations? For th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power

Usually it is the US influencing small countries and having a say in military decisions. Also coming up next is a full blown Chinese military base in Gwadar, something the USSR broke itself trying to get to.

> Far greater than 50%.

If you want to go with the stick yes. For the carrot, it's a bit different, you just have to dangle it. If China says jump, Pakistan will ask how high.

Post reply on HN