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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

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Post by dyauspitr »

ivape wrote: post #80
pokstad wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for stating these forecasts so authoritatively. Or maybe we should admit this is uncharted waters and we shouldn't downplay what is possible?

It's also worth pointing out that whatever nonsense the terrorists were on about will now just get reinforced. You could be talking about a more agitated situation with even more terror attacks. This is how bullshit like this escalates. They should have coordinated with Pakistan to run the strikes. I also thought the Ukraine war wasn't "really" going to happen. Humans will human.

Pakistan is not a rational state. The stated sole purpose of their intelligence agency ISI is the destabilization of India. The terrorists are backed, sheltered and armed by the government. There’s a reason bin Laden successfully hid there for so long.

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Post by mcmoor »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #84

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History isn't only WW2. There's a lot of situations with high tension that doesn't explode into war. One big proof is Cold War not ending in human annihilation. Also 19th century Concert of Europe is entirely built on diplomatic finesse to prevent greater conflict.

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Post by markus_zhang »

alephnerd wrote: post #28
ferguess_k wrote: post #17

I hope this cools down into a propagation war after the initial bombing and shooting. Nationalism served, and every one gets what they want, well, except the dead ones...

Depends on internal politics in Pakistan. The army isn't completely united, and the current COAS of Pakistan (Asim Munir) is much more ideological than the former one (Qamar Javed Bajwa), who he pushed out after Bajwa and Imran Khan demoted Munir from the ISI to a (relatively) lowly Corp Commander. Bajwa was working on normalizing relations with India, but himself got undermined by Imran Khan and separately by Asim M…

I heard the ISI is also quasi independent, too.

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Post by benterix »

HideousKojima wrote: post #239
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102

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> People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."

That's because we'd seen "Russian invasion imminent" every year since the annexation of Crimea. It got to be very boy who cried wolf.

This is actually a known tactics. I remember in the 90s thieves often did similar things like triggering an alarm on a parking lot every night. At first many people were alarmed and went down to check on their cars. But after a few false alarms nobody cared. It was then when they started to steal.

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Post by wtcactus »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #246
neom wrote: post #60

I've been thinking recently about how business has been a pretty decent wrapper around wars and killings, arenas, lands, whatever, just: competing for human death. However, I've also been thinking that in late stage capitalism, genuine entrepreneurship is probably increasingly difficult to get into, leading to less genuine opportunity, leading to less business, leading to idle hands, leading to the devils workshop.

Truth be told, we have all tools to feed all humans and have a moderate life quality, but some people want to have more than others, just for the sake of it.

Yes, the ones that finance, develop and operate those tools to feed all humans, should absolutely be entitled to have more than the ones that do nothing and benefit from them.

Otherwise, soon, those tools will not exist anymore.

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Post by jjude »

nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

> Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war,

Pakistan has nothing to lose. So there are lots of incentives for Pakistan army to go rogue.

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Post by oefrha »

anukin wrote: post #197
ivape wrote: post #63

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You know, I sit on a few Christian discords and all they do on it is fight between each other (denomination vs denomination). They sit around and combatively go after each other and there is also interfaith beef that happens constantly on those Discords (Muslims vs Christians is a big one). It's almost like ... yeah, I have to agree with you. It's almost like if the human doesn't have a true and good outlet for energ…

5 jets shot down is fake news. There is no evidence of that. It’s a claim by Pakistani govt to appease the domestic population.

I’m sure this Reuters report with photos of wreckage is fake news: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/three-fighter-jet...

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

madaxe_again wrote: post #272
nblgbg wrote: post #61

I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…

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Geopolitics can remain irrational longer than you can remain alive.

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Post by orwin »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #191
adamnemecek wrote: post #175

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It is sudden as it was an overreaction.

Are all overreactions sudden? Man A is pushing man B repeatedly and yelling at him as a bar dispute escalates. Man B pulls out a gun and shoots man A. Overreaction? Yes. Sudden? Not necessarily.

Man B push around man A, insult him, poke him. Man A ask him to stop. Man B pulls out a gun and shoots man A. Here, ftfy.

Poland saw what what Germany did to Czechoslovaquia, decided that negotiations would only happen after a demilitarization and de-escalation.

But it's true it wasn't sudden, poland was preparing for the war, the attack from both side (cooperation between Germany and Russia) is what took them by surprise

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