India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir
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#63I've been thinking recently about how business has been a pretty decent wrapper around wars and killings, arenas, lands, whatever, just: competing for human death. However, I've also been thinking that in late stage capitalism, genuine entrepreneurship is probably increasingly difficult to get into, leading to less genuine opportunity, leading to less business, leading to idle hands, leading to the devils workshop.
This was one of the videos of the terror attack that sparked this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TyztPaQfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKKcwk8Cc8
26 dead, and about 17 injured in the terror attack. There were 5 jets shot down in the retaliation. I don't know how reciprocal the retaliation was. This is tricky.
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#642gkashmiri reporting live from Srinagar. Ama
How is the halat in Srinagar? My extended family in Jammu Division is sending fairly hectic WhatsApps (seems similar to back in 2013 and 2016). Smh, as if the rainburst a couple weeks ago wasn't bad enough.
Srinagar is fine for now. Schools and colleges have been ordered closed.
I will go and check the market in a bit, its still early (08:09) so things are pretty slow anyway.
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#65I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian air…
Proxy war between U.S. and China. We’re moving the naval assets that were bombing the Houthis. India seizing Pakistan-administered Kashmir cuts Islamabad off from China.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It isn't worth it for either India or Pakistan at the macro level, and intra-elite factionalism would strike well before anyone could commit to a sustained conflict Yup. But those same forces conspire against a sustained peace. > partners like KSA and UAE would come down hard if this became an extended conflict Zero chance. The problem is China.
> Zero chance. The problem is China As I mentioned previously, the China factor is significant but overstated. And I'm fairly hawkish about China. UAE and KSA have equally as much if not more leverage on Pakistani elite than China. Majority of Pakistan's trade is devoted to the UAE and KSA, and most leadership (military, political, and business) has family and financial relations in both countries. In addition, the U…
> India and Pakistan can normalize relations, and sincere attempts have been made by both sides, but inter-factional competition amongst Pakistan's elite has undermined it
India has less motivation for war. But it’s also done nothing to negotiate a peace.
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#67I've been thinking recently about how business has been a pretty decent wrapper around wars and killings, arenas, lands, whatever, just: competing for human death. However, I've also been thinking that in late stage capitalism, genuine entrepreneurship is probably increasingly difficult to get into, leading to less genuine opportunity, leading to less business, leading to idle hands, leading to the devils workshop.
You know, I sit on a few Christian discords and all they do on it is fight between each other (denomination vs denomination). They sit around and combatively go after each other and there is also interfaith beef that happens constantly on those Discords (Muslims vs Christians is a big one). It's almost like ... yeah, I have to agree with you. It's almost like if the human doesn't have a true and good outlet for energ…
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#68From the article: > Pakistan said India hit three sites with missiles, and a military spokesman told Reuters his country shot down five Indian aircraft, a claim not confirmed by India. That’s a huge loss of aircraft! Are there any corroborating reports or more details about the aircraft/shootdown?
Planes down confirmed - https://x.com/Doha104p3/status/1919922881892430275 5 planes not yet, but it seems more than one. Indian and Pakistan TV are saying 3. Indian planes crashed in India.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just Kashmir. > The Indian government said its forces had struck nine sites in Pakistan and on Pakistan’s side of the disputed Kashmir region. Pakistani military officials said that five places had been hit, in Punjab Province and its part of Kashmir. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan...
India calls this a targeted strike so for now at least they don't seem to be messaging a strong stance on expanding the strike.
I and a lot of other people have been calling "India and Pakistan get into it again" ever since Russia started blowing up Ukranian maternity wards, supermarkets and apartment buildings.
Ukraine is bleeding Europe and the US dry in both money and military supplies.
The US just emptied even more munitions at the Houthis (largely accomplishing nothing) to the point that people in the Pentagon have been concerned enough to approach press. The regime also moved carrier groups closer to Yemen to support said operation, so of course now that mom and dad are looking away, the two children are fighting. Meanwhile Hegseth has been hard at work causing complete chaos with an endless stream of junior-manager "get tough" policies, mixed in with some policies furthering his white christian supremacist views.
Russia has basically run out of everything but has made enough seedy friends who will eventually ask for favors
China is fixated on Taiwan but really wouldn't say no to any territorial expansion, if anybody offered, or um, didn't happen to have much in the way of allies who were paying attention.
Our SecState is a little boy cosplaying as a diplomat, nobody with more than a handful of braincells is present in the white house, and the republican party is more intersted in what some trans person did at a swim meet or volleyball tournament, than they are what's going on in the world geopolitically...
Basically, everyone's busy looking at something else, so Pakistan and India shrugged and said "After all, why shouldn't we...have a war?"
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#70I have believed and still believe India and Pakistan will engage on the first nuclear war :( I hope it does not happen, but the way things are going in this world, I would not be surprised. In the past, the USSR and the US would try to broker peace between the two countries. I doubt anyone will try now.
India has a dedicated No First Use Policy, and the former head of India's nuclear command gave an in depth presentation about India, Pakistan, and China's nuclear doctrine at Livermore Labs a couple years ago - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpIrZvP0Co Most of the conversation about a nuclear war is dated (30-35 years old) because it was based on the 1990 standoff, before which India and Pakistan did not have a hotli…
While I personally doubt this particular instance will escalate to nuclear war, or even a major conventional war for that matter, the situation is clearly very dangerous. Doctrine is a terrible indicator of what a country will actually do.
For Russia and North Korea, even though their doctrines may be hazy, their geopolitical positions indicate they are unlikely to start a nuclear engagement. Russia has a very large conventional military which, despite it's significantly worse than expected performance, is slowly but steadily making progress in a war that other great powers are not willing to directly join. Conversely, half the world's nukes are pointed squarely at Russia. Their strategy pretty much the entire time under Putin has been slowly normalizing their military actions, use of nuclear weapons in even the most minimal capacity would be very likely to provoke exactly the military response they don't want and would gain them nothing. Their nukes exist specifically to deter that response.
North Korea is even more clearly disadvantaged by a potential nuclear exchange. Sure they have enough nukes to cause serious damage to South Korea, but they already had the conventional forces to do that long before they got nukes. They could strike America, and do quite a bit of damage, but they have no hope of doing enough damage to prevent a retaliatory strike that would kill the regime. They are caught between two major nuclear powers, the US and China, and their nukes are clearly to prevent one from attempting a regime change without relying too heavily on the other.
Both of these states would probably have ceased to exist by now if they did not have nukes, and both will stop existing if they ever use nukes. They are more or less stable.
India and Pakistan are a totally different story. Both need nukes to deter not only eachother but other neighbors, which produces a heavily destabilizing effect (eg if India builds more nukes to counter a buildup in China, Pakistan needs more nukes, which means India needs even more nukes, and so on). Further, neither nation is staring down the barrel of a true clusterfuck arsenal like those possessed by the US and Russia - while it would no doubt be catasrophic beyond anything the world has seen before, a nuclear exchange between the two nations is potentially survivable. Finally you have not just two governments but two populations with a deep seated enmity rooted in religious conflict, it is easily possible for the entire chain of command to be willing to go against their personal self interest with no one in a position to pump the brakes. It's a situation that could become very bad, very quickly, without anyone doing anything too absurd.