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I know you mean well and want to save the world from trolls, but this is not a hypothetical. I have a friend who is in this exact situation (previous administration, don't get your hopes up for another story for your bandwagon). The parents had temporary asylum. They had kids in the US. Asylum expired and was not renewed. They've been fighting a court battle for several years now because there's an order to deport th…

And people should have an option to do that. That's entirely different than getting kidnapped without any process.

Now imagine being a judge, and you are supposed to allow a US citizen child to be taken to a country that is hostile to the US. In the current media climate.

And this is exactly the problem with these knee-jerk emotional reactions: reality is a lot more complicated.

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#892
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Prosecutorial discretion hasn’t meant much to me since the Bond got prosecuted for violating a chemical weapons treaty, and Yates got prosecuted for fish-shredding. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_v._United_States_(2014) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yates_v._United_States_(2015...

Sometimes the vibes are wrong, and things go haywire. This is why zero tolerance policies have to be instituted in schools. That doesnt mean the general idea is wrong. Strict adherence to written law will always fail justice. The world is too nuanced and too fractal to handle every edge case well.

I seem to recall that zero-tolerance policies caused the expulsion of multiple Boy Scouts who were merely obeying the requirement that they always have a multifunction pocket tool with them (such as a Victorinox knife), and these caused the Scouts to rescind the rule.

"Zero tolerance" policies are a generally a tool of the Sith.

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#893

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When you read article after article that imply one thing, but actually say something else, how should we respond? Parsing out what the article says is necessary. It’s how articles are written, and how reporters and editors ask they be read. “John Doe committed a terrible crime, the FBI said” does not mean the press is reporting the John Doe committed a terrible crime. I wish the press would respond to cultivated mist…

Absolutely. And this whole idea of demonizing misinformation just makes it worse by implying that true information presented in a way that intentionally and actually misleads readers is somehow OK.

> true information presented in a way that intentionally and actually misleads readers

…is also misinformation.

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#894

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> Qualitative aspects name them! > Haven't read the Mariel study then stop making short-run supply shock claims > Cubans just replicated their own economic structures in a hyper-contained locality, with significant ethnic solidarity given a shared history of hardship Damn if only there was a way to study assimilation. Wait, there is, we have, and if you look a few replies up you'll see that its basically a complete s…

Well, if it were real people wouldn’t have voted for Trump. What you’ve presented is, like I keep saying, the most unconvincing tidbit of minor benefits. You seem totally uninterested in addressing the problem, that no one cares about this study and what it says because it’s such a tiny effect on the margins, utterly impossible to translate into daily life. I’ll keep making whatever claims I want, and you can keep ga…

> …conditioning success on Uncle Sam handing over money to make it work). …

Are you referring to:

> …basically a complete success with sufficient NGO support that vastly boosts social participation. …

? …because NGO is Non-Government Organisation. I may have missed the bit you're actually thinking of.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

#895

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> That one is also hard and complex It’s hard. Not complex. Simple and difficult.

"Complex" because we'll discover things the under-protected labor are enabling that we have come to rely upon. Infrastructure becoming unreliable makes complexity, and undocumented immigrant labor is American infrastructure. Has been for decades.

Completely agree! Did we not learn from the pandemic? Countries run and rely on underpaid essential workers; they shouldn't underpay them, but capitalism pits workers across the globe into a race to the bottom for salary and safety.

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The CIS is a joke of an organization and unsurprisingly their “research” is just the same vibe racism you can find on any right wing message board. Camarota previously claimed in a similarly ‘published’ paper that 2/3 of the jobs created under Obama went to illegal immigrants. Not remotely a serious person.

>The CIS is a joke of an organization and unsurprisingly their “research” is just the same vibe racism you can find on any right wing message board. The research is well founded and not debunked. There are numerous other sources cited besides CIS. Dr. Camarota earned a PhD in public policy analysis and has testified before Congress 30 times on the economic, fiscal, and demographic impact of immigration. Your ad homni…

Lol no response.

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#898

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This is exactly the kind of media bias I'm talking about. Given the millions of illegals the Dems allowed into the country to sway the voter demographics in their favour, when you are trying to undo the extraordinary damage that this caused (massive levels of fentanyl flowing in, violent gangs establishing territory, extraordinary burden on the taxpayer, sex-trafficking on a large scale etc etc) you will always find…

Dems have a low approval rating because they aren't President. They're in Congress, and all of Congress has a low approval rating. Perhaps worth noting: it is higher as of late ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx ), which correlates to AOC and Sanders touring against Trump's policies. We'll see if that trend continues. Bad news for Trump if it does. (Actually, the question is kind of leading; it'…

I don't find your explanation for the Dems low approval rating very convincing. After 4 years of Joe Biden, the American people voted in the most disruptive, change agent in US political history, the polar opposite of Joe Biden. So fairly obviously people are not happy with the Dems.

Fentanyl is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. Gangs establishing territory in the US is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. You can tie yourself in knots with whatever tortuous logic you choose to justify the unjustifiable but most people (like me) are on the side of commonsense. Close the borders and manage immigration in an orderly, controlled way.

With regard to deporting the family of illegal immigrants, the people responsible for this situation is the Democrats who opened the borders and the family that chose to break the law by immigrating illegally.

Re: the "purely numbers thing". You haven't understood the point I was making. With any govt action at scale (Dems or Republican) there will always be winners and losers. Depending on your bias (and we can obviously see your bias) you'll focus on whatever outlier situation you find to justify your political framing.

And there are so many "very dark paths" aren't there?

Some people might consider weaponising the justice system in an attempt to take out a political opponent a very dark path".

Or others might consider constructing a fake dossier alleging political collusion with Russia, and then using that fake dossier to weaponise the FBI against a political opponent, a "very dark path".

Others might consider opening the borders to illegal migration at scale to sway the voter demographics in your favour (a complete corruption of democracy), a "very dark path".

Not to mention the sex trafficking at scale, the importation of fentanyl at scale as a result of the open border policy could also be a "very dark path".

Others might consider hiding the diminished mental state of a president (in collusion with the media) and gaslighting the public on this issue, so that a cabal of unelected bureacrats can run the country from behind closed doors, a "very dark path".

Others might consider placing enormous pressure on social media companies to censor public discourse thereby bypassing the first amendment a "very dark path".

So please spare me your highly, highly selective, performative faux "concern". I simply can't take you seriously.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

#899

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Dems have a low approval rating because they aren't President. They're in Congress, and all of Congress has a low approval rating. Perhaps worth noting: it is higher as of late ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx ), which correlates to AOC and Sanders touring against Trump's policies. We'll see if that trend continues. Bad news for Trump if it does. (Actually, the question is kind of leading; it'…

I don't find your explanation for the Dems low approval rating very convincing. After 4 years of Joe Biden, the American people voted in the most disruptive, change agent in US political history, the polar opposite of Joe Biden. So fairly obviously people are not happy with the Dems. Fentanyl is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. Gangs establishing territory in the US is obviously related to the De…

The feeling is mutual because much of what you have said applies to the current President as well.

For a country that was, ostensibly, as you claim, tired of the government being weaponized for political ends, the President's mental decline being hidden by his lickspittles, and fentanyl and illegal immigration, they sure picked a winner, didn't they? A 78-year-old with obvious deteriorating health who already had the job and failed at it. And it's on the court record that the GOP planned to use the census to manipulate demographics for representation purposes (because their leadership knows the actual population, undocumented immigration or no, is trending away from people who will vote for them over time; most of the power they hold now is from gerrymandering of representation regions), so your protestations and conspiracy theory around illegal immigration being a political ploy ring extremely hollow.

I think America is getting the government it has chosen and appears to be reaping the consequences. So if you support these decisions, I can't really take you seriously either.

Americans wanted someone to fix their drug and border problems and what they got is a guy who will take a free jet with him when he leaves the job.

All hail American democracy, right?

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

#900

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I don't find your explanation for the Dems low approval rating very convincing. After 4 years of Joe Biden, the American people voted in the most disruptive, change agent in US political history, the polar opposite of Joe Biden. So fairly obviously people are not happy with the Dems. Fentanyl is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. Gangs establishing territory in the US is obviously related to the De…

The feeling is mutual because much of what you have said applies to the current President as well. For a country that was, ostensibly, as you claim, tired of the government being weaponized for political ends, the President's mental decline being hidden by his lickspittles, and fentanyl and illegal immigration, they sure picked a winner, didn't they? A 78-year-old with obvious deteriorating health who already had the…

Politicians attempting to improve their chances at elections is about as far from a conspiracy theory as you can get. (Why were the Dems gaslighting the public about how "difficult" it was to solve the border problem? For years we've heard ...."We need legislation! We need more money!"). Trump closed the border within weeks so clearly the Dems were lying through their teeth (nobody is shocked, the Dems have been lying about everything). And your "trend" argument is very weak, people were surprised at the demographic trends in the recent election even though it was a minor bump. So it's not really a good explanation for the last 4 years of wide-open borders.

We are in the very early stages of major change and disruption. III make my assessment after a year or two, not after a few months into the new presidency.

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