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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by ta1243 »

tempestn wrote: post #490
mft_ wrote: post #487

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> This headline is misleading because it makes it seem like tariffs are a step function that activate below 85%, which isn't true. > The formula is a simple, linear equation: tariffs = 0.25 * MSRP * (percent foreign content - 15) Um... unless I'm missing something, agree it's not a if/then rule, but in practice, that's exactly how the formula works? 84% domestic = 16% foreign = 0.25 * MSRP * (16-15) = 25% tariff on 1…

Your parent's point is that it does not suddenly apply to the full value when exceeding 15% foreign content.

The headline doesn't say that

Any vehicle at 85% is exempt

Any vehicle at 84.999% or less pays a tarrif

That tarrif may be 1 cent or $100,000, the headline doesn't say anything about that.

Given the need for transparency though it would be best if every item bought in america highlights the exact cost of the tarrif, same as it highlights sales tax. Indeed America is fairly unique in advertising pre tax prices (buy a can of coke for $1, it comes to $1.07 at the store), it would make sense if prices were also advertised pre tarrif too, in terms of transparency. I wonder how the administration could encourage that.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by pawelmurias »

mmooss wrote: post #479
vlovich123 wrote: post #418

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Right and > If someone I know committed murder, like almost everyone - organized crime members are very few in the population - I would absolutely not overlook it. What an absurd argument. Fails to define murder and focused on organized crime vs what if it was your best friend, wife, close relative etc. it’s easy to claim how you’ll react in an abstract scenario but revealed preferences often show something happening…

You're just throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick. It has nothing to do with me. The idea that people support murder in those cases is pretty crazy. You are living in an Internet unreality.

In the us there is often a disagreement if something was self defense or murder.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by panick21_ »

chgs wrote: post #499
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #492

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Repeal the act capping house representatives to 435. The house then expands massively and you get more representative government.

So you have 6,000 representatives, which is about the same ratio as the population back in 1790. What does each one do? What agency does each have? They get 20 minutes a year to speak assuming a 2000 hour working year.

What would happen is that representatives are more locally focused on their districts and would vote in larger 'sub'-parties.

In a single seat district system, increase in seats its also proven to improve representation for minorities.

I don't think the expansion by itself is a fix-all solution.

One of the issues is that you have many single issue districts and those that get elected can vote whatever they want on everything else. That is both good and bad in some situations.

> They get 20 minutes a year to speak assuming a 2000 hour working year.

Congress isn't about making public speeches, its about legislating in congress. Turning congress into a TV show is part of the issue in the first place.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by gadders »

chipsrafferty wrote: post #373
iav wrote: post #304

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Items that contain multiple elements get the highest tariff rate of any of them - a glass window with aluminum frame gets the aluminum rate because it’s the highest one.

But how do you determine where to divide objects into components?

You take this 4.5 hour exam to prove you know how to do it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/the-impossible-four-ho...

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Post by labster »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #461
parineum wrote: post #393

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> left to bureaucrats making best guesses, without any particular agenda. That's incredibly naive. Bureaucracies have agendas either intentionally (political appointments) or organically. The corruption may be more brazen and direct under Trump but the incentives have always been there

Usually industry insiders just switch jobs directly into the bureaucracy writing the laws?

There is a revolving door between industry and bureaucracy, true. There is a problem with getting qualified people who are not conflicted financially and who are not bound by preconceptions. This problem is not particularly tractable, but granting all the decisions to the leader can only make it worse.

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Post by gadders »

protocolture wrote: post #331
leereeves wrote: post #238

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That's pure speculation, but quite possible. Corruption is nothing new in Washington. The real question is whether people support bringing auto manufacturing back to America. As always, people who like the policy/candidate/official will overlook the corruption, while people who dislike the policy/candidate/official complain about it. The people who demanded evidence about Biden will accept speculation about Trump, ju…

American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

>>American labor is low quality and high cost.

American Labor will never be cheaper than virtual slave labor.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by andruby »

grugagag wrote: post #300
loeg wrote: post #289

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Trump isn't a free market ideologue and never has been. I'm not sure what you expected. He didn't conceal his viewpoints; if you are surprised, I think you weren't paying much attention.

I don’t know about markets but he claimed to be a free speech ideologue. But then he bought twitter and proved otherwise.

Elon or Trump? Or do you see them as a team?

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Post by nkrisc »

sarchertech wrote: post #261
nkrisc wrote: post #242

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And yet he dominates the party. How could that be without popular support from the party base?

It’s easy to dominate the party as long as you have 51% of the primary voters, which in 2024 was about 20% of registered Republicans. Essentially if you have the very strong support of 10-15% of the party voters, you’re untouchable.

If people cared they would vote in the primaries. If they don’t, then they must be happy with how those who do are voting.

But then they also vote for him in the general election, since he won, so I conclude he has the support of the Republican base.

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Post by croisillon »

crummy wrote: post #303
cosmicgadget wrote: post #166

Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

nobody said winning the war on drugs was gonna be easy

winning the war against economy proves easier

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by ta1243 »

panick21_ wrote: post #523
chgs wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have 6,000 representatives, which is about the same ratio as the population back in 1790. What does each one do? What agency does each have? They get 20 minutes a year to speak assuming a 2000 hour working year.

What would happen is that representatives are more locally focused on their districts and would vote in larger 'sub'-parties. In a single seat district system, increase in seats its also proven to improve representation for minorities. I don't think the expansion by itself is a fix-all solution. One of the issues is that you have many single issue districts and those that get elected can vote whatever they want on ev…

Where congress just follows the party line. Or does back room deals

I think the larger problem with democracy in general is that constituencies are no longer geographic. A software engineer in Austin and one in San Jose have far more in common than a software engineer in Austin and a Tractor dealer in Austin.

The representative for Austin has to represent the conflicting views of both the Tractor dealer and the software engineer.

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