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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by eddythompson80 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #201
qwerpy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Washington state is going in the other direction: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl... I'm sure the targeted aspect of that one is applauded by the same side that is unhappy about this tariff. At least in the tariff case, it's an objective numerical target and probably even achievable by other manufacturers. Ford is only 5% away from the target for some of its models.

I would go as far as saying, that almost no one outside the US knows about state specific rules. People watch or read some news, but they are usually not that much into the US inner political theater, that they additionally make an effort to learn what state has what other rules. I am not even sure how impactful it is, that Washington state does something different. Like ... Are things built or sold there by a large…

Yeah, without context it doesn’t mean much. Washington is one of the majority liberal states. OP was pointing to a Washington state law that will also “target” Tesla but in the other direction.

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Post by iav »

rr808 wrote: post #263
AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

Interesting, does the proportion by weight, size, value or count? eg a EV battery could be 25% of the weight, 50% of the cost and 0.01% of the number of parts.

Items that contain multiple elements get the highest tariff rate of any of them - a glass window with aluminum frame gets the aluminum rate because it’s the highest one.

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Post by Aloisius »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #224
bushido wrote: post #56

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Very surprised to learn that this is real https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ Pretty cool. Lots more info on reddit threads.

looks like you have to pay VAT?

VAT is only levied if it doesn't get exported within a certain amount of time (6 months from the scheduled delivery date).

I knew someone who tooled around Europe for a month before dropping it off to be shipped to her without having VAT incurred (though it was a couple decades ago).

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Post by zzrrt »

leereeves wrote: post #225
intermerda wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

Funny thing about the fictional "Wilhoit’s Law". It's not a law of science. It's nothing but an Internet snipe from a blog post by a music composer. It wasn't even written while the political scientist Frank Wilhoit was alive. https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservative... It's just half of a truism: people apply different standards to "their side". As true of the left wing as the right.

Being commonly misattributed (which GP did not do!) doesn’t make it fictional, nor does coming from a composer make it automatically wrong or useless.

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Post by jongjong »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #222
AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

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Basically every big tech company engages in much worse forms of government manipulation. At least this one aligns with citizen interests.

IMO, if gov manipulation benefits citizens; e.g. creates meaningful jobs or opportunities for citizens, then it's not corruption. The difference is night and day. Where was the outrage over massive government contracts handed out to Oracle, Microsoft, etc... under previous administration? What about all corporate tax breaks? These are purely self-serving and the magnitude of the harm done to citizens is far more significant. It's dishonest to turn a blind eye to those and to focus on trivial policies which actually work in the interest of citizens. Here, the benefit to Tesla is just a side effect.

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Post by _heimdall »

bronson wrote: post #295
_heimdall wrote: post #291

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Based on the previous comment, it sounds like the fuzziness well predates Trump. Are you arguing that the fuzziness was built into the system previously to allow presidents to pick winners and losers in the auto industry? Do you know if there are clear examples of past presidents actually using that power?

Sure, it's an inherently fuzzy concept, but that hasn't mattered much until now.

I actually see this as an example of why the fuzziness should always matter. We may occasionally find good reason to take the risk, but we have a ton of this kind of fuzziness written into our countless laws and we have no real way to stop those in charge from deciding to misuse it.

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Post by soared »

rayiner wrote: post #254
matwood wrote: post #194

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Back the blue, unless of course it's the Capitol Police.

Most of these examples are good ones, but this one actually isn’t. I don’t know what part of the country you’re from, but in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens. I don’t want to debate the substance of the view, I’m just pointing out that it’s not actually contradictory like you’re implying. I grew up in virginia when it was a red state, my first reac…

Is this saying the viewpoint is that violence against the government (capitol police) is supported, violence against local police is not supported (back the blue) and violence against citizens is supported (back the blue)?

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Post by afavour »

loeg wrote: post #289
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump isn't a free market ideologue and never has been. I'm not sure what you expected. He didn't conceal his viewpoints; if you are surprised, I think you weren't paying much attention.

The Republican Party on the other hand is very much in favor of the free market… or was. Many long time Republicans turned on a dime and deserve to be called out on it.
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