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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by mmooss »

jongjong wrote: post #315
CoastalCoder wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that keeping Musk wealthy is contrary to the interests of most Americans.

I disagree. I agree that the system shouldn't be creating so many billionaires. It's a flaw in the system. But Musk is among the best of them IMO and his contrarian position makes him essential, even if you disagree with him and his politics. There needs to be opposing forces among the elite or else we're sure to walk down the path of totalitarianism. I generally agree with Musk's politics but I wouldn't want all bil…

Spreading hate, white supremacy, and normalizing Nazism - do you support those things?

The elite mainly follow Trump now - find one who is willing to stand up to him and Musk. That would be contrarian - courageous, in fact.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by XorNot »

3np wrote: post #326
bunderbunder wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have come to believe that many people's political attitudes can be boiled down to a single uniting element: an overwhelming fear that other people might do to them the kinds of things that they would absolutely do to other people if given half a chance.

This line of thinking is increasing and dangerous (and no doubt intentional from at least some of the popular examples that come to mimd). It will make it that much harder for authentic candidates to talk about legitimate change and ideology.

When your platform is "free lunches for school children" no one has to worry about the devastating consequences of someone doing it to you.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by bilbo0s »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #292
zelphirkalt wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nation-wide Chesterton's Fence happening right now, with people learning a hard lesson soon enough. Let's just hope it won't be too late to repair their broken systems.

The only real issue is these assholes are taking me down with them.

Maybe that's what the people want?

Maybe they don't like the fact that there's people out there making 500 grand a year? At least not while they're struggling to make ends meet on 50 grand a year.

Now your leaders are supposed to be wise enough to not take down the 500 grand a year guys. But what if they aren't?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by userbinator »

makeitdouble wrote: post #468
userbinator wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been maybe two dozen different barrel plugs widely used over the last two decades, and "12V" and "20V" were already a de-facto standard for laptops with 2S and 3S batteries respectively (there was some artificial segmentation like 18.5V, 19V, 19.5V, 20V, etc. but they are all within tolerance range). I have not seen a male laptop; they are always female, being the "receiver" of the power. Search for "laptop…

That leaves out all the "what is a computer?" devices that had all sort of plugs that wouldn't be barrel: tablets, chromebooks, raspberry pi, e-readers etc. Same for all the smaller dedicated devices (audio recorders, camera, controllers etc.) Those didn't go the barrel plug route in the first place to allow for charging through the same port, and would have been a loophole if barrel was mandated. USB-C was honestly…

tablets, chromebooks

Most of those used either USB or a barrel plug depending on their size.

raspberry pi, e-readers

USB.

Same for all the smaller dedicated devices (audio recorders, camera, controllers etc.)

Many of those use smaller barrel plugs, appropriate for their lower voltage.

The main problem with USB-C is the tiny fragile connector (search for images of "bent USB-C"), and the fact that it's a standard that tries to be what should really be a bunch of separate standards. It's hard to get a barrel plug wrong. It's too easy to get USB-C wrong, and cause damaged devices:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33713713

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by WalterBright »

KingMob wrote: post #436
WalterBright wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd argue that keeping Musk wealthy is contrary to the interests of most Americans. His wealth is what enabled SpaceX to exist. Musk's Neuralink now has enabled a paralized man who could not communicate to operate a computer with his mind and thereby communicate with the world.

And the evidence that SpaceX is in the interest of American citizens is...? Neuralink existed for years before Musk. If it weren't him, the researchers would have continued with other investors or govt grants (Trump gutting the NIH recently notwithstanding). Compare this paltry evidence of benefit with the massive damage being done by the Musk-directed DOGE group, and it's clear billionaires being able to use their m…

> And the evidence that SpaceX is in the interest of American citizens is...?

Starlink. The one that connected the N Carolina hurricane victims when FEMA failed, and then again in Los Angeles.

NASA can now launch missions at 10% of the cost, due to SpaceX.

> Neuralink existed for years before Musk.

According to Google: "Neuralink, an invasive BCI company with a short-term goal of treating various neurological disorders such as quadriplegia, was founded by Elon Musk in 2016 with the intention of creating another “layer” to the brain to complement the functions of existing layers like the limbic system and the cortex."

It's now working on restoring sight to the blind. What a monster Musk is!

BTW, the value of his companies is what investors value it at. Surely they think they are worth it.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by pavlov »

XorNot wrote: post #482
3np wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This line of thinking is increasing and dangerous (and no doubt intentional from at least some of the popular examples that come to mimd). It will make it that much harder for authentic candidates to talk about legitimate change and ideology.

When your platform is "free lunches for school children" no one has to worry about the devastating consequences of someone doing it to you.

Many of these people literally believe that "free lunches for school children" inevitably turns into "those socialists will force me to eat bugs in an Orwellian nightmare".

For them, Sweden and North Korea are on the same spectrum of communism and will end up the same.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by mft_ »

tritipsocial wrote: post #415

This headline is misleading because it makes it seem like tariffs are a step function that activate below 85%, which isn't true. The formula is a simple, linear equation: tariffs = 0.25 * MSRP * (percent foreign content - 15) Companies with 84% domestic content will pay a 25% tariff on 1% of the MSRP, companies with 70% domestic content will pay a 25% tariff on 15% of the MSRP, etc. This is a common sense way to ince…

> This headline is misleading because it makes it seem like tariffs are a step function that activate below 85%, which isn't true.

> The formula is a simple, linear equation: tariffs = 0.25 * MSRP * (percent foreign content - 15)

Um... unless I'm missing something, agree it's not a if/then rule, but in practice, that's exactly how the formula works?

84% domestic = 16% foreign = 0.25 * MSRP * (16-15) = 25% tariff on 1% of MSRP

85% domestic = 15% foreign = 0.25 * MSRP * (15-15) = 25% tariff on 0% of MSRP - which is nothing

86% domestic = 15% foreign = 0.25 * MSRP * (14-15) = 25% tariff on -1% of MSRP - but let's assume the Gov't isn't going to pay companies so effectively 0% again

So yes, it's a tariff that effectively activates below 85% domestic content.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by AraceliHarker »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

Then they would just change the rules so that only Tesla could be exempt from the tariffs.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by tokioyoyo »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

Mentioned it a few times in the past, but this is just a big freak out and America having a hard time squaring the fact that by almost all meaningful metrics, their "enemy" has taken the lead. Nobody really knows how to fix it, everyone at the top knows they can't really do much about it, but they have to show "power", because that's all they have left. Nobody wants to "lose" in public's eyes, but that's just how some of the world is starting to think.

Honestly, I feel kinda conflicted. From one point, I always looked up to the American values, and way of life. But it's becoming increasingly misaligned with my own values and the things I find important in life.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by tempestn »

mft_ wrote: post #487
tritipsocial wrote: post #415

This headline is misleading because it makes it seem like tariffs are a step function that activate below 85%, which isn't true. The formula is a simple, linear equation: tariffs = 0.25 * MSRP * (percent foreign content - 15) Companies with 84% domestic content will pay a 25% tariff on 1% of the MSRP, companies with 70% domestic content will pay a 25% tariff on 15% of the MSRP, etc. This is a common sense way to ince…

> This headline is misleading because it makes it seem like tariffs are a step function that activate below 85%, which isn't true. > The formula is a simple, linear equation: tariffs = 0.25 * MSRP * (percent foreign content - 15) Um... unless I'm missing something, agree it's not a if/then rule, but in practice, that's exactly how the formula works? 84% domestic = 16% foreign = 0.25 * MSRP * (16-15) = 25% tariff on 1…

Your parent's point is that it does not suddenly apply to the full value when exceeding 15% foreign content.
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