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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by MarceliusK »

prhn wrote: post #226

The future of (public) transportation absolutely is driverless cars. Every time I'm stuck in traffic on an LA highway with 5+ lanes and I see the horrendously inefficient use of space this future becomes clearer. Waymos are also really confidence inspiring. They drive more safely and cautiously than any Uber/Lyft driver I've ridden with. If every car on the road was synced then they could drive more closely to each o…

But I think the real challenge isn't just the tech: it's the messy middle. Human drivers aren't going away anytime soon, and mixed traffic (humans + AVs) is where a lot of that theoretical efficiency gets lost

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Post by MarceliusK »

Retric wrote: post #32

Want I’d want to see is a focus on level 5 autonomous driving from day 1. (Edit: Even if the system is level 4 to start with.) Yes the current coverage area is limited, but if you live in one of those cities the coverage area is easily large enough to be useful. Oddly enough I think this is one of the few times when a subscription model makes sense. The current approach has a fallback call center which can give the c…

And I actually agree about the subscription model too. It's one of the rare cases where it feels practical: pay while you're in the coverage zone, pause when you're not

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Post by sofixa »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #219
aantix wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except there’s FSD videos everywhere on X with every minor release, demonstrating the progress.

They edit their videos to remove the mistakes. It's all a lie if it only works 90% of the time and you don't know when it's going to fail after being lulled into inattention.

Waymo made a very good point about this, fundamentally that's the problem with a progressive rollout - drivers will stop paying attention when the software is "good enough", and the result will probably be crashes. So for them, it was all or nothing - either it fully drives itself, or it's not worth deploying.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by dimator »

beAbU wrote: post #326
prhn wrote: post #226

The future of (public) transportation absolutely is driverless cars. Every time I'm stuck in traffic on an LA highway with 5+ lanes and I see the horrendously inefficient use of space this future becomes clearer. Waymos are also really confidence inspiring. They drive more safely and cautiously than any Uber/Lyft driver I've ridden with. If every car on the road was synced then they could drive more closely to each o…

The future of public transportation is buses and trains. Any other solution that involves wrapping individual humans in a steel bubble 10x the size is woefully inefficient and wasteful. No matter how well they self drive. For every bus you can take ~50 cars off the road.

Unfortunately, at least in the US, that ship has sailed, and there is zero interest in creating walkable, public-transit friendly cities.

Doing things the right way requires civic-minded effort. The average American is just way too individualistic to make a dent in this problem.

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Post by croon »

slg wrote: post #284
acdha wrote: post #280

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I’m sure that sounded more clever in your head but an actual legal agreement is more than marketing.

No, they really are no different. A legal guarantee doesn't actually mean the car is safe, it means they will pay for it when the safety features fail. Those fees paid out can just be considered a marketing expense to make the car appear safer.

Yes, and them putting their money where their mouth is means they are reasonably certain the accidents wont eclipse the profits, which is a much better signal than whatever Tesla marketing is putting out, seeing as they're not able/willing to do the same.

Money talks, as it were.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #276
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #66

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My dream is a little trailer gas generator. Give you infinite range for longer trips. Day to day, just leave it disconnected.

Isn’t that the BMW i3 range extender?

In the US the BMW i3 range extender gas tank is software limited so the gas range is shorter than the ev range. That's the only way they could get it to qualify as an ev.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by throwaway48476 »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #322
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that the BMW i3 range extender?

That does not seem bad! I was imagining something more generic, literally a mini trailer with a generator bolted on top, but this is sleek.

The motorcycle engine doesn't produce enough power so it can only do 40mph when the battery is dead.

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Post by makeitdouble »

slt2021 wrote: post #330
makeitdouble wrote: post #269

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Having a nuclear disaster only decade ago with a flurry of other plants that couldn't pass the safety test when re-checked creates a pretty tough situation. Right now there's a plant that is stopped by the gov from getting back into production for safety issues, with the elec company trying to appeal for the nth time, and it sure doesn't help the overall image. "This time it will be fine" is kinda hard to stomach for…

They have no other sustainable energy sources a d frankly I trust japanese engineering minds they can fix their nuclear designs

Japanese engineering at it's core is grit and resilience (”fall down seven times, stand up eight”）. Japan's architecture prowess comes from waves and waves of catastrophes they've overcome and rebuilt upon.

For Japan to be that good at nuclear, there first needs to be a way to gracefully fail and retry, instead of making whole regions unhabitable for a century. We're clearly not there yet.

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Post by ffsm8 »

beambot wrote: post #222
lxgr wrote: post #159

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> They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development. Compared to "FSD this year", every year for the past five years, I honestly find the approach pretty refreshing.

5 years...? I bought mine with FSD in 2018, and that was years after it was "right around the corner." Worst Kickstarter of all time... Though I do like the car itself.

Yeah, FSD was promised with the release of the first model S, 2012 - to be ready by "next year"

As such, it's been roughly 12 years just around the corner for Tesla and Musk enthusiasts.

To be more specific: Musk explicitly said in that marketing event that buying anything other the Tesla wouldn't make economic sense, as they'll earn their own price back as self driving Taxis within the following two years.

Still blows my mind that people believed him anything as these kinds of unrealistic promises were at the heart of every event since the start.

Believing someone with promises like that is - from my perspective - begging to get scammed.

From that point of view, people should be glad the delivered cars were decent. Most purchases with outlandish promises end with merchandise that is borderline unusable.

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Post by beAbU »

dimator wrote: post #334
beAbU wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future of public transportation is buses and trains. Any other solution that involves wrapping individual humans in a steel bubble 10x the size is woefully inefficient and wasteful. No matter how well they self drive. For every bus you can take ~50 cars off the road.

Unfortunately, at least in the US, that ship has sailed, and there is zero interest in creating walkable, public-transit friendly cities. Doing things the right way requires civic-minded effort. The average American is just way too individualistic to make a dent in this problem.

You might be right. I saw a survey somewhere (can't find it now), where Americans were asked about working in factories.

Majority said that USA will be better if more people started working in factories, but a minority said USA will be better if /they/ worked in factories.

It's the whole "I got mine" mentality, where people are not willing to compromise on their own comfort for the greater good, yet they expect others to do so.

I don't think this is unique to the US, I think it's just very egregious there at the moment.

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