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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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I don't think we get there until we have all of the nearby vehicles on the road communicating.

I can order a Waymo from my phone right now and sleep in the backseat while it drives me across town.

Anywhere in the world under any conditions? (rain, snow, etc)

We're at least a decade away from that.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Tesla is going nowhere without LiDAR.

I strongly disagree. Go look at the videos of the current iteration of FSD.

Go and actually test drive one and let it FSD you around. Videos don’t do justice. There is always MKBHD kind of biased videos.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Toyota makes hybrids that are excellent. I don't think they want to go full EV.

I believe they’re batten on solid-state technology, which is like nuclear fusion. 10 years away

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Hybrids are barely mainstream and are growing faster than EVs, Toyota doesn't have anything to worry about for a long time.

that’s true today and yet they will be bankrupt by 2030

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Maybe because it is true?

> Maybe because it is true? It reeks of manual fitting. Tesla surveys an area and makes manual adjustments that keep the system from misbehaving for a while until something changes and then it’s back to shit.

There is definitely some amount of that. On each training run it gets better at some things, worse at others (this is mostly limited to its lane handling more recently).

And in the 12 months I've had the car, it has gotten noticeably better maybe 2 times. Once last year, and then once in February. After the iteration last year, it drove fairly well, but I still had to intervene once or twice per trip. Now I make it through half of my trips without intervening, and when I do intervene it tends to be to avoid embarrassment vs safety (not committing, wrong lane for an upcoming turn, etc).

Given how ai is advancing, I am pretty confident they will get this working fully autonomously with just vision, it's just a question of when.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Two car family with one plug in hybrid and one EV is a low stress setup. Only uses gas/petrol on road trips.

yes it was smart to keep a landline phone for a few years

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…

> They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development.

Compared to "FSD this year", every year for the past five years, I honestly find the approach pretty refreshing.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

"Been behind" is actually sugarcoating it, they actively lobbied against EVs for years: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/climate/toyota-electric-h...
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