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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by alephnerd »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #212
AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

If the origins are so fuzzy, I guess other manufacturers would very soon adjust their part lists/part origins to avoid the tariff?

Even in normal times regulators don't take kindly to origination fraud even, so it's highly unlikely anyone will risk it with an admin like the current one. Look at what happened to Amazon earlier today and SentinelOne last week.

Most manufacturers will eat the cost and raise prices to a certain extent. Base models of any product tend to be manufactured in such as way that they have much looser margins.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by nkrisc »

rat87 wrote: post #206
potato3732842 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyday people have been clamoring for some sort of change for a long time. 00s at least. It reached a boiling point in the late 2010s and you had a nearly parallel rise of Trump and Bernie. The difference is that the republicans couldn't keep a lid on Trump and his backers like the democrats did to Bernie. So Trump got in and then politicians "built in his image" started getting elected all over the place. So now t…

I don't think most Republicans want the destruction of our country so no I don't think he's an accurate reflection

And yet he dominates the party. How could that be without popular support from the party base?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by endianswap »

alephnerd wrote: post #241
sinuhe69 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the origins are so fuzzy, I guess other manufacturers would very soon adjust their part lists/part origins to avoid the tariff?

Even in normal times regulators don't take kindly to origination fraud even, so it's highly unlikely anyone will risk it with an admin like the current one. Look at what happened to Amazon earlier today and SentinelOne last week. Most manufacturers will eat the cost and raise prices to a certain extent. Base models of any product tend to be manufactured in such as way that they have much looser margins.

What regulators lol

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by alephnerd »

endianswap wrote: post #243
alephnerd wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in normal times regulators don't take kindly to origination fraud even, so it's highly unlikely anyone will risk it with an admin like the current one. Look at what happened to Amazon earlier today and SentinelOne last week. Most manufacturers will eat the cost and raise prices to a certain extent. Base models of any product tend to be manufactured in such as way that they have much looser margins.

What regulators lol

Most recently, Ford for violating the "Chicken Tax" - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-p...

And that was under the Biden admin, which was much less pushy. The Trump admin is much more vindictive, especially with a policy that appears to be backed personally by DJT.

Here are some interesting legal articles discussing this very thing in the Trump admin

https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2025/02/us-administration-t...

https://natlawreview.com/article/what-every-multinational-co...

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #16
amelius wrote: post #13

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Nonsense. Does anyone seriously think the military is going to defy SCOTUS at the end of the four years? Does anyone seriously think Jan 6th, bad as it was, was going to end the republic[0]? Such hyperbole is dangerous at best when people take it seriously. [0] Especially because what it tells our enemies. Iran, take out just this one specific building, and America is done for!

> Does anyone seriously think the military is going to defy SCOTUS at the end of the four years?

You know, probably not? It's not particularly comforting to know that democracy will probably survive in 2028.

> Does anyone seriously think Jan 6th, bad as it was, was going to end the republic[0]?

Did Yoon Suk Yeol seriously think that temporarily obstructing a National Assembly vote would make it impossible for them to end his coup? Yes, and so did the National Assembly - they worked hard to get into the legislative chamber, and once they got in they refused to leave until they were sure the coup was defeated. If the January 6 mob had made it onto the floor while it was in session, and "convinced" even a subset of Congress that they need to say Trump won the election, he would not have agreed to leave office on January 20th.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

viraptor wrote: post #95
socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

It's not just the idea in isolation though. I don't think anyone would complain much if the rule was "in N mths the threshold is X". Everyone could do the necessary adjustments and play by the same rules. But if the rule applies immediately, favours the guy who gave you millions, and impacts the competition financially where they need to make me investments to comply with the rules... yeah, that stinks even if it loo…

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by boroboro4 »

arandomusername wrote: post #197
esalman wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The left accomplished its goal Yeah we allowed a deranged billionaire to transform auto industry, even if it cost us democracy and threats of fascism and authoritarianism for the foreseeable future. Completely delusional.

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The fact that Trump was democratically elected changes nothing, Hitler (and Putin) were too.

Threats of fascism and authoritarianism aren’t baseless fear mongering, it’s all already happening. While fascism might be too strong of a word the amount of hate administration creating against particular group of people (immigrants, especially undocumented) is huge; just take a look at this wall https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/white-ho...

How you can consider following not to be signs of authoritarianism?:

– sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process

– attacking law firms which used to represent opposing parties to yours

– attacking universities representing views different from yours

– attacking media through FTC to exhibit control over their reporting

– attacking platform for donations for opposing party

– routinely abusing power by issuing lawless executive orders every day

– literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country

– turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo

If you read constitution you know we’re land of the people and laws. President isn’t a king. President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws, and it’s hard to underestimate how deep in the woods we’re towards authoritarianism. Calling it baseless fear mongering is nothing but being truly delusional.

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Post by moralestapia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
moralestapia wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Provide source for any claims you make.

> Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Qualitatively? Tesla wouldn’t qualify. Practically? It isn’t. The same way there isn’t a difference between 85 and 80 other than keeping out Ford. There is no methodology presented for how 85 was estimated. There probably wasn’t one, given the track record with the tariff rates.

You got it!

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #227
kibibu wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Change.

Nation-wide Chesterton's Fence happening right now, with people learning a hard lesson soon enough. Let's just hope it won't be too late to repair their broken systems.

It's never too late to fix. The problem is the time frame.

The changes made thus far present at least a decade of rebuilding to fix, and we're only 100 days in.

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Post by pnw »

tchock23 wrote: post #88
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

Like launching a private $500k membership club for elites: https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/donald-trump-jr-m... True to their word!

That's the wrong Trump.
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