I know we Americans just love to own cars, what with the rapid depreciation, constant maintenance and massive storage requirements. Who could resist? But isn't the promise of self driving vehicles that we don't all need to own, maintain and operate a 4000lb machine? I know it's hard to resist dropping the $30k, $40k or even $50k and paying that monthly insurance we all love. But wouldn't it be better if we could just…
That's one vision, but it's probably not the most likely one. People like privately owning cars, and as long as they're more convenient than hiring taxis it'll probably stay that way. Here's another vision of the future - gradually everyone's cars become self-driving, and now cars are more accessible to a wider range of people. 30% of the population currently can't drive due to age or disability, but if cars drive th…
Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#232Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…
> They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development. Compared to "FSD this year", every year for the past five years, I honestly find the approach pretty refreshing.
As an 11 years Toyota driver I agree.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
FSD is something you can BUY and USE right now. Toyota is writing an MoU. They’re not the same.
What you're buying is not driving, by itself, fully.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#234Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who also purchased FSD, I was able to drive hundreds of kilometers without any disengagements even though my car is an older HW3 with 12.6. I fully believe that with some Waymo-like conservative route planning and teleoperator backup, they will be able to achieve their robotaxi goals this year.
Tesla is going nowhere without LiDAR.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#236Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except there’s FSD videos everywhere on X with every minor release, demonstrating the progress.
Yes, that’s called marketing. Believe it when they do what Mercedes does and accept liability rather than trying to shirk it.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#238Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…
> They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development. Compared to "FSD this year", every year for the past five years, I honestly find the approach pretty refreshing.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#239>"Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development and deployment of autonomous driving technologies. " The current HN title seems too definite.
(Submitted title was "Waymo partners with Toyota to bring autonomous driving to personal vehicles")
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#240The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.
I am now convinced that Uber/ride-sharing is responsible for the deterioration in our high-trust societies. Uber made it ok for regular drivers commit road violations with impunity.