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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by standardUser »

brummm wrote: post #182
standardUser wrote: post #180

I know we Americans just love to own cars, what with the rapid depreciation, constant maintenance and massive storage requirements. Who could resist? But isn't the promise of self driving vehicles that we don't all need to own, maintain and operate a 4000lb machine? I know it's hard to resist dropping the $30k, $40k or even $50k and paying that monthly insurance we all love. But wouldn't it be better if we could just…

That's already possible and called taxis/uber/etc. In what way would self driving cars incentivize not owning your own car?

Cost, accessibility, convenience, reliability, safety. You can get all of that with a human driver too, if you're rich.

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Post by whytaka »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

I am now convinced that Uber/ride-sharing is responsible for the deterioration in our high-trust societies.

Uber made it ok for regular drivers commit road violations with impunity.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by bdangubic »

jes5199 wrote: post #169
carabiner wrote: post #165

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> death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet Not noticed, because they're printing money with their hybrids that all have year-long waitlists in the US. Gas stations are alive and well, and until the housing crisis is fixed (not happening in our lifetime), people will be reliant on gas vehicles because you can't charge at most apartment complexes.

I actually think we’ve passed peak urban density and people will de-densify to have better access to electrification

I am certain some fine folks like us said the same thing 30 years ago :)

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by reneretord »

mperham wrote: post #94
enahs-sf wrote: post #75

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Tesla has minted a fortune on broken promises and vaporware. As someone who purchased FSD, would be glad to see them lose their shirts on this one.

The funny thing is that I've owned Gen 3 FSD for five years now and only in the last few months has it gotten noticeably better. It's actually respectable at driving around my city now, can handle roundabouts, make turns, etc.

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by spiderice »

xnx wrote: post #187
aantix wrote: post #174

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Except there’s FSD videos everywhere on X with every minor release, demonstrating the progress.

If progress is noticable in a 20 minute video, Tesla has a long way to go.

As do Waymo and Toyota

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by pavel_lishin »

zetazzed wrote: post #86

Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase: "Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..." reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPL…

Veridian Dynamics' "Project Jabberwocky" is gonna be great.

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Post by waterhouse »

janalsncm wrote: post #136
porphyra wrote: post #112

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O3 can now play geoguessr better than master level human players. It can also beat master level Codeforces competitive programmers. I wouldn't discount the ability of AI to make sense of images far better than humans possibly could, all the while beating them at logical thinking, especially in a restricted domain like driving.

AI isn’t magic. If there isn’t enough information in the inputs, you can’t expect reliable results. It’s the same principle in all of software: garbage in, garbage out. If there simply isn’t enough visual information, vision-only will fail. https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ

Theoretically, if there's not enough visual information for AI drivers, then there's not enough visual information for human drivers, and that's a problem with the road. (Which, to be sure, occasionally there are roads like this: e.g. merging onto a higher-speed thoroughfare from a lower level, with a very short distance between "where you're in a position to see the merging traffic (and not that much of it)" and "where the roads have fully merged (and there's no shoulder)".)

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Post by reneretord »

Retric wrote: post #126
princevegeta89 wrote: post #87

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Actually, we should also realize that they've been super wildly successful at getting people to move towards clean energy vehicles. Prius is the world's highest selling Hybrid car, and it's been that for more than a decade now. This means Toyota has helped cut down emissions from consumer automobiles by a significant degree. It's not the 1000 EVs out of the 100k vehicles that matter, but rather the 10k hybrid vehicle…

Hybrids are a dead end. There’s already EV’s doing 1MW charging. That’s practically gas pump speeds while also being able to charge at home, and the underlying technology keeps improving. 8% of new cars in the US, 14% in the EU, and 27% in China are EV’s. Toyota’s EV sales are anemic by comparison.

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by senordevnyc »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #147
shreezus wrote: post #100

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I have noticed the same - Tesla FSD has improved remarkably in the last couple of versions, to the point where it almost never requires interventions. That said, I still don't "trust" FSD to the point where I could comfortably be in the backseat taking a nap just yet. 99% is not "good enough" for something as critical as driving.

I actually started to trust V12. V11 was a complete joke vaporware. V12 is a complete game changer that actually drives on par if not better than human. Not a tesla stock holder(all of it is a scam per my retarded opinion), but I am now more than confident that they will start doing self driving this year. Maybe isolated and with some remote interventions here and there, but it feels on par with Waymo. My friend was…

I’ve been reading this comment for years, just with version numbers changed. I expect in two years I’ll be hearing that V14 sucked, but now with v15, actual level 4 FSD is just around the bend!

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

ajmurmann wrote: post #38
dekhn wrote: post #12

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Toyota makes hybrids that are excellent. I don't think they want to go full EV.

What is their beef with full-EV? First it was hydrogen fuel cells and now limitation to hybrid. Seems odd at best.

It's more expensive for a worse consumer experience.
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