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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by stevage »

ryandrake wrote: post #75
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

If I was forced to say one good thing about the guy, it's that he is quickly and faithfully delivering on his campaign promises, moreso than any other president that ever served in my lifetime. He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist and doing exactly what he said he'd do. Those campaign promises are destructive, thoughtless, cruel, and self-serving, but he said he'd do them, was elected, and then subs…

Except brokering peace in Ukraine. He also promised an economic boom.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

hiddencost wrote: post #130
esalman wrote: post #122

The irony here is that Democrats, for more than a decade, did anything and everything, by bankrolling taxpayers money into incentives and subsidies, to protect Tesla, help it compete and even flourish and scale, in the auto market where margins are razor thin and true innovations are hard to come by, even less so from smaller players. Nobody, except Republicans, batted an eye because climate change, science and envir…

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He is right you know. He managed to fleece dems and is now fleecing the other side. Neutral observer can only stay in awe of his talents.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by fullshark »

_2d30 wrote: post #99
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump has literally been prattling about his love of tariffs for decades and was explicit about his plans to heavily leverage tariffs during his campaign.. I think you might just want an excuse to believe what you already believe

I just think a lot of democrats really haven't paid attention to how Trump has morphed the Republican party and the realignment that has been going on. They still think of a Republican as George w. Bush / John McCain / Mitt Romney even though they have all been effectively excommunicated from the party. I think part of it was hope was Trump was a momentary blip but that's obviously no longer the case.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

matt3210 wrote: post #107

It’s pretty coincidental. I can’t help but wonder if the number was picked for this outcome

What I personally find more interesting is that they consciously did not choose a more conciliatory number ( like 80 ), which would capture more cars and have the benefit of being able to deflect attacks. Almost like it was intended to cause uproar.

Otoh, I listened to conservative ratio the other day and the general tone was "good, he is making them mad and he doesn't care."

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by Henchman21 »

leptons wrote: post #87
carpo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I think we should try to separate his business acumen from his nut-case personality. He can be a successful businessman AND a fucking prick.

Who made his initial fortune as an illegal immigrant.

Inherited wealth means nothing eh?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

cogman10 wrote: post #124
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're exaggerating to try to make a point, but I'm not convinced. You're saying that it could have been much worse if the mob had gotten into Congress, followed by if the mob had offed Democrats, followed by if the Republicans then rubber stamped it and didn't have their own objections, followed by if the Supreme Court was also killed or if the Supreme Court chose to take no action and if the states involved like Ca…

> You're exaggerating to try to make a point What am I exaggerating? > if the mob had gotten into Congress, Correct, which we have documents, conversations and even zipties which show that was the plan. > if the mob had offed Democrats Again, multiple conversations and recordings of mob members specifically saying this was the plan. > if the Republicans then rubber stamped it and didn't have their own objections Ther…

No, you’re stuck with trying to overplay how significant J6 was. Even if it was considered by the participants to be a coup, it’s irrelevant because it simply did not have the manpower, or any chance at taking out all of the branches of government to a significant degree. Even if all of Congress and SCOTUS was killed, there is a line of succession (created in case of nuclear war) which states would then follow.

The claim that J6 was a serious threat, by stringing one improbable event into what could have happened if a dozen additional improbable events also occurred, is the Democratic Party’s favorite conspiracy theory. Both sides have them.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by silverquiet »

Rapzid wrote: post #104
Aloisius wrote: post #38

Sure it's 85% now, but what about tomorrow? Next week? Next month? This administration's policy decisions aren't particularly stable.

I would be surprised if Ford does anything drastic with their supply chain. Probably just wait this out. POTUS is going to be stripped of this ridiculous tariff "power" one way or another. * Bogus emergency is up for review * Congress discussing stripping power * Constitutionality in question * Public going to to bury them in the midterms if this keeps up

I've been thinking that reason must prevail for nigh on a decade and while there have been moments where it seems to, overall I can't say that I'm particularly optimistic at the moment. I have been told that "degrowth" (for the purpose of slowing climate change) is the most unpopular policy imaginable, but it seems like we are taking a stab at it for different reasons. Perhaps that unpopularity will have some effect; it does seem (both anecdotally for me and in some data that I've seen) that swing voters are already regretting their decision.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by digianarchist »

tim333 wrote: post #111
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

It's hard to label Trump a free market ideologue. He's more Mr tarrif man. If you want free markets look more to Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore (#1 on the "Index of Economic Freedom"). One of the virtues of proper free markets is the markets largely figure which companies win in a relatively non corrupt way, rather than politicians leaning on the scales.

The Singaporean government's hand in it's own economy is larger than a lot of self-professed communist states - Temasek Holdings, Mediacorp, DBS Bank, Singapore Airlines etc etc.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by ryandrake »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #98
ryandrake wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was forced to say one good thing about the guy, it's that he is quickly and faithfully delivering on his campaign promises, moreso than any other president that ever served in my lifetime. He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist and doing exactly what he said he'd do. Those campaign promises are destructive, thoughtless, cruel, and self-serving, but he said he'd do them, was elected, and then subs…

While I agree with the sentiment that he is not backing down from a lot of his batshit promises, let's not forget that he made a lot of promises. The Russian invasion didn't end on day 1 or day 100 and he decided to only strongarm one side - iirc he said he would threaten Ukraine with withdrawing support and threaten Russia with giving obscene amounts of support to Ukraine.

His predictions about what other people/countries would do were, of course, wrong, but his promises about what he (and his admin) would do or try to do themselves are for the most part being delivered.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by jmward01 »

Unfortunately companies have a bigger voice than people. Until that isn't the case there will always be doubts about the 'neutrality' of a particular law/policy/etc. The bigger thing here is that this particular administration rarely, if ever, does things in a 'neutral' manor. It is always 100% transactional with Trump. There is absolutely no doubt that the 85% is designed to give Tesla, and more specifically Musk, a huge win. It is foolish or outright disingenuous to even pretend that this isn't the case.
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