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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by tintor »

everforward wrote: post #218
Teever wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like 75% of people with a suspended license need to spend some time out in jail where they can ponder their life choices.

I don’t think that’s entirely fair in a country where a car is practically a requirement for living (getting to work, grocery shopping). People shouldn’t speed, and they shouldn’t drive with a suspended license, but it’s hard to ignore the reality that not driving isn’t an actual option for a lot of people.

It is also not fair for ones family to be killed by repeat speeder.

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Post by sandworm101 »

Does nobody else see the pattern? Speed governers are dead-simple to install. They could be in all new cars within days through software. But they dont want simple. They want a system that needs to be installed by a contractor. Id bet good money that the people supporting these bills are the same ones who want the monopoly on the state-mandated service. If you have ever dealt with ankle monitoring companies, or those who install court-mandated breathalizers in cars, you know they are scum. They bid for/buy a state monopoly then set about milking people who have no other choices. Rather than simple software, they will want a byzantine system of install, monitoring and removal fees, preferably attached to every car in someone's household.

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Post by derwiki »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #242
tzs wrote: post #154

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> What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? This will put an onerous burden on people who borrow cars. If they intend to go more than 10 mph over the posted speed limit in the borrowed car they will need to make sure to only borrow cars from people who have not been convicted of speeding over 100 mph and forced to have an ISA installed.

Going the speed limit is an onerous burden?

It’s gotten me aggressively tailgated and subjected to dangerous passing.

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Post by occz »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #109
knowitnone wrote: post #96

while this is not a bad idea, why not prevent them from driving at all and massive punishments

Because if you don't have a car in most of the US then you're fucked.

This should be telling all of you in the U.S something important. I wish you all listened to it.

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Post by WalterBright »

GuB-42 wrote: post #205

There are cars that can go way over 100 mph, and they almost all speed controlled by software. High performance cars are often speed limited by software to about 150 mph. How is this legal? Cars with speed limits that high belong to the track, not public roads, with a possible exception for emergency vehicles. There are some rare (emergency) situations where "superspeeding" might help, but I can think of many others…

> People love their fast cars, especially the rich and powerful

LOL. You have no idea. Street racers are usually people who have little or no money.

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Post by sroussey »

exsomet wrote: post #271
atoav wrote: post #249

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As an Hardware designer I don't think that is the problem nowadays. Make it physically hard to remove and add a gps tracker to the unit and if it doesn't move for a few days, have them proove to you it wasn't tampered with. Then the only way to do it is to break the thing open and simulate trips that match yours all the time, which requires you to MITM the connection between the GPS and the microcontroller. Aside fro…

You’re forgetting a step - which, being a hardware designer instead of a lawyer, is understandable. The fourth amendment means that there should never be a situation where you are arbitrarily required to provide the government access to, or information about, the ways that you use or modify private property like a vehicle.

You mean, like, AT&T and phone calls?

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Post by thatcat »

shermantanktop wrote: post #267
allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.

That seems like the result of a normal skill level distribution that allows some people to take more advanced actions at the same risk level. Interesting how there is never a push to punish people who actually cause wrecks with this technology.

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Post by spl757 »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #173
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #130

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That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.

> Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Can you provide such a scenario? Or, more importantly... can you provide a reason why this hypothetical, extremely unusual edge case should take precedence over the 12,000 speeding deaths per year in our calculation? For example, I'm willing to wager more people get hurt speeding TO the hospital while their wife is in la…

Train crossings. I live in a port city with tracks that run right through the middle of the city. No, the safety lights don't always work. No, you can't always hear them coming. Yes, I've had to floor it to avoid being hit. This just seems like a bad idea on the face of it to me. It makes people drive in a way that other drivers may not expect them to, and that's always dangerous.

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Post by brightball »

thatcat wrote: post #287
shermantanktop wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.

That seems like the result of a normal skill level distribution that allows some people to take more advanced actions at the same risk level. Interesting how there is never a push to punish people who actually cause wrecks with this technology.

Car insurance does that

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by dzhiurgis »

SoftTalker wrote: post #233
dzhiurgis wrote: post #210

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Just put it in yearly registration fee, like most modern countries do. The profits stay within the government, fees can be easily adjusted to inflation and is enforced onto everyone thus reducing the headache for drivers and cops.

Then you'll have people not registering their cars. Which already happens a lot. They steal a plate or renewal sticker from another car or just drive with it expired.

Any cop car with LPR would instantly stop and ticket them tho.

When you say a lot, by how much really? I suspect it's tiny.

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