Still waiting for better information about whether the judge was uncooperative or lied/misled the agents.
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FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities
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#112> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…
> I.e. the ICE agents showed up in the middle of a court proceeding, and the judge said they'd need to get permission from the chief judge before they could interrupt proceedings. The judge then didn't stop the defendant from leaving once the proceeding was done.
Since there were multiple agents (the reports and Patel's post all say "agents" plural) they could have left one at the courtroom, or outside, rather than all going away. Then there'd have been no chase and no issue.
The question is if the judge should have held the man or not for the agents who chose to leave no one behind to take him into custody after the proceeding finished.
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#113a federal agency that doesn't follow the law should lose the protection of the law. Charge the ICE agents with attempted kidnapping of the immigrant and actual kidnapping of the judge.
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a judge doesnt enforce law, they are tasked with providing a neutral recourse to the overarching principal of justice, during the proceedings of the court.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought so too, but turned out I'm wrong: > Key prohibited actions under 8 U.S.C. § 1324 include: > Bringing in or Attempting to Bring in Aliens: Assisting a non-citizen to enter or try to enter the U.S. at a place other than an official port of entry. > Transporting: Moving or attempting to move a non-citizen within the U.S., knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the non-citizen has entered or remains…
Why are they terrible? I do not understand why people have a right to enter the country illegally and stay without consequences, nor why people should be able to assist them without consequences. What sane argument is there for that? That is just anarchy and madness.
I don't have issues with (immigration) laws targeting undocumented immigrants. I don't have issues with laws targeting organization of illegal immigration.
I do have issues with laws targeting regular people knowing/not knowing legal status of other people in day to day life. Those laws are vogue and overly broad and constrain my rights as a citizen. I should be able to transport anyone, regardless to my knowledge of their immigration status, and shouldn't be turned into participant of the immigration enforcement. These laws are too similar to "turn every jew you know" to me, and should be forbidden. I come from a country with a history of delation and I think it's wrong.
Demanding this is very distant from anarchy and madness, and I would argue current state is too close to police state.
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#115This feels like a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of moment. Sure there are no details yet, but I’m trying to imagine details which would make me think “that arrest makes sense.” If I were in Milwaukee I’d be in the streets.
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Depends- if the judge directed agents from their subjects for a lawful reason, then no, there is no cause for arrest.
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#116It’s heartbreaking to see the United States, once a symbol of strength and freedom, reduced to a complete joke.
Well, you see, some dogs and cats were being eaten, and the other lady cackled too much, so it was inevitable, really.
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#118This will be interesting for the 5th amendment. They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly. The defendant was compelled to appear in court which means he couldn't protect his own privacy by being elsewhere - are these the same thing? I don't know how courts will see it, but it is an interesting legal question that I hope some…
I'm not sure if this is intended to be a hypothetical but there is no IRS form where "Drug Dealer" is the correct answer.
Drug dealing income would be disclosed as "Other income".
If you volunteer "drug dealer" my guess is they could use it against you. Similar to showing up at FBI headquarters and shouting "I'm a drug dealer!"
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#119At the moment we don't have a lot of the facts. All we seem to have at this moment is a (since deleted?) post from the head of the FBI. There's a ton of context that is missing. Like what does "intentionally misdirecting" mean? Does that mean saying "he went that way" when he really went in the opposite direction? Does it mean not answering questions about this person, or being obtuse? I'd also like to know more of t…
Article has been updated with more context in recent minutes:
> ICE agents arrived in the judge’s courtroom last Friday during a pre-trial hearing for Eduardo Flores Ruiz, a 30-year-old Mexican national who is facing misdemeanor battery charges in Wisconsin.
> Dugan asked the agents to leave and speak to the circuit court’s chief judge, the Journal Sentinel reported. By the time they returned, Flores Ruiz had left.
So, yeah, sounds like they literally walked into court and interrupted a hearing. Given the average temperament of judges, I think the least immigrant-friendly ones out there would become obstructionists in that situation...
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#120Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…
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It depends on the nature of the federal action. If they do illegal things to enforce a law, that would be overreach.