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FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #64
daheza wrote: post #21

Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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It's patently anti-American to deny people due process. Refusing to give information to fascists who believe they have no restraint of jurisdiction is the lesser of two evils here.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by kemayo »

mjburgess wrote: post #51
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

1. It isnt clear ICE agents have any legal authority to demand a judge tell them anything. 2. It is highly likely this is an official act, since it would be taken on behalf of court, so the immigrant can give, eg. testimony in a case. A "private act" here would be the judge lying in order to prevent their deportation because they as a private person wanted to do so. It seems highly unlikely that this is the case.

I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained.

This was definitely not them being helpful, but I'm incredibly doubtful that they could be successfully prosecuted for this.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by tclancy »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #64
daheza wrote: post #21

Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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That is begging about four questions.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by jaco6 »

Why are the people of Wisconsin taking this without a fight? Sit ins in local FBI branch offices and police stations are in order. Groups of protestors stand in front of police car parking lots—if the piggies can’t leave their sty, they can’t destroy our democracy.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by whoknowsidont »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #68
hidingfearful wrote: post #57

a federal agency that doesn't follow the law should lose the protection of the law. Charge the ICE agents with attempted kidnapping of the immigrant and actual kidnapping of the judge.

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That statement isn't even close or applicable to any hypothetical actions the judge could have taken here. If the judge did something unlawful there are already lawful mechanisms for dealing with that and NONE of those mechanisms involve ICE detaining the judge.

This is exactly what it looks like, nothing else.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by soulofmischief »

mbrumlow wrote: post #65
huitzitziltzin wrote: post #24

This feels like a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of moment. Sure there are no details yet, but I’m trying to imagine details which would make me think “that arrest makes sense.” If I were in Milwaukee I’d be in the streets.

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None of this is happening in a vacuum. Our federal government is completely compromised by a violent, oligarchical ruling class, and so are many state and local governments. Elected and unelected officials are breaking law and convention left and right.

Generalities help no one here but the oppressors.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by sixothree »

mbrumlow wrote: post #65
huitzitziltzin wrote: post #24

This feels like a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of moment. Sure there are no details yet, but I’m trying to imagine details which would make me think “that arrest makes sense.” If I were in Milwaukee I’d be in the streets.

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He was literally in the courthouse. It's not like he went out the back entrance.

edit: maybe he did go out of the back entrance? But the video I have seen of his arrest definitely looks like it was the inside of a courthouse.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by JKCalhoun »

anonym29 wrote: post #77

Would it not be better to have a peaceful, civil, lawful, separation of the two different Americas than for us to rigidly cling to an idea of a "United" States that no longer represents reality? We're clearly living in two different realities already, brought about the partisan media (on both sides) willfully and deliberately misrepresenting reality to serve the interests of their shadowy trillion-dollar corporate co…

Maybe you're a fan of "Texit".

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by nashashmi »

zdragnar wrote: post #72
bluGill wrote: post #19

This will be interesting for the 5th amendment. They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly. The defendant was compelled to appear in court which means he couldn't protect his own privacy by being elsewhere - are these the same thing? I don't know how courts will see it, but it is an interesting legal question that I hope some…

They cannot use your tax forms as evidence against you, but if there is a warrant for your arrest, they can arrest you wherever they find you. If there's a warrant for my arrest on suspicion of murder and I show up to court to argue a traffic ticket, of course they'll take me in on the murder charge too.

Do you know if an arrest warrant was issued? I don’t think ICE works on warrants
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