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DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect :) Try doing it without the machine, see if you can spot the difference.

Still a chore with the machine. It is implied that AI will take over the machines, collect your socks and shirts from around the house, put them in the machine, dry them out, iron them and put them back in the drawer in an energy efficient and hygienic way while you are happily painting.

It's still creative work to make music using AI too. In both cases, the machines just made it a lot easier

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Nobody is out seeking to destroy the lives of artists. Companies and people are just pushing the frontier of AI anyway they can, and it just turns out that images and audio are two directions the frontier can be expanded.

Consciouslly or unconsciouslly is the subject's problem not ours. It doesn't change the nature of the consequence of their actions.

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The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

The impact of AI on creative fields will be pretty nuanced I feel. I don't think we will end up in a world where everyone is just AI generating the media they want. In some cases we will, for example stuff like lo-fi beats on YouTube are already started to be bulk made by AI because really it's just fancy white noise for people to use to work. Actual music (like what you find on Spotify) I think won't be impacted ver…

Pop music is so simple, yet so difficult to make a hit. For some artists the music can be mediocre or even fairly bad, and still be a massive hit because pop music is essentially theater and their persona and mystique carries the day.

Some bands were terrible touring artists and rarely put on concerts yet made great careers as studio acts. Steely Dan would be one that produced many hits yet rarely toured, mostly later in their career.

The fundamentals of pop are totally understood. Yet what makes a hit is so fickle and difficult, the bar is extremely high

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Lots of people want to express themselves. They're wholly under-served in this world.

There's no reason someone who didn't pay the opportunity cost to learn to draw or to learn to play guitar shouldn't be able to make art and express themselves.

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You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

These are actually just the problems easier for researchers to solve, mostly due to a lot of readily available data.

Everyone shares music and art they make but nobody ever shares videos and motion capture of themselves doing laundry and vacuuming their house. Maybe we need to start sharing that instead

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The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

The impact of AI on creative fields will be pretty nuanced I feel. I don't think we will end up in a world where everyone is just AI generating the media they want. In some cases we will, for example stuff like lo-fi beats on YouTube are already started to be bulk made by AI because really it's just fancy white noise for people to use to work. Actual music (like what you find on Spotify) I think won't be impacted ver…

Even music found on Spotify is artificially generated, carefully disguised as human curated

https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machin...

Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42461530

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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It seems to struggle to create music with a strong identity. It is great if you want to make a poor imitation of top 40 hits. But the thing about top 40 type music is that the best music is already in the Top 40. It remains to be seen if there is as strong a demand for a music chart filled with slop as there is demand for a music chart filled with pop tunes by celebrities. I don't think audio files are the right outp…

Some of the artists of the top 40 use some form of auto-tune to generate pleasing music. Can that be considered a slop-y?

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The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

> No one wants to hear other people's ai songs because they lack meaning and novelty.

Not true. No one wants to pay for other people's ai songs. There are so many AI songs on youtube (mostly lofi or traditional Japanese instrumental) and they cumulatively have quite a lot of view.

The thing is for quite a lot people, music is just something they put in background while doing their office desk jobs. It's just there to make chores a bit more tolerable and nothing more.

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