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Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by pclmulqdq »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #40
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls. It’s possible that percentage counts dissatisfaction with the previous administration more than approval for the current one. That is, it might just count people wanting any…

I think it's clear that the approval ratings Trump gets are more about disapproval of the rest of politics. When you have every politician getting rich somehow while your life gets worse and worse, a lot of people will want all politicians punished. Trump is that punishment, and many people are excited to see the political and professional classes suffer. That is the approval rating.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by jrgd »

spicyusername wrote: post #75
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people in the US, especially the Christian Trump supporters are nice but not kind. They will say hi, they will smile, they ask if you need anything, then they will happily defend the deportation of innocent people to secret prisons in foreign countries without any sort of due process. They will offer to bring you soup while your sick but will fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have affordable health…

I think they are just nice and ignorant, honestly. So many I interact with are just simply unaware and vote based on their discomfort with urban liberal culture. That's it. The blue hair and the pronouns made them feel weird, so they voted the other way.

Discomfort? Omg :) Yet it’s not taking anything to anyone, it’s not costing them anything and if they don’t feel the need to state pronouns nobody is going to force them to do so… so why refuse a little acceptance to the Other. A while back, some got crucified for having different ideas… Happy Easter to those who celebrate and a happy weekend to all others :)

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by foogazi »

amenhotep wrote: post #28
meltyness wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250130231413/https://www.cisa.... Here's an article supposedly of Krebs provenance, which implicitly lumps Trump himself in as a "malicious actor". > can lead to uncertainty in the minds of voters; uncertainty that can be exploited by malicious actors Maybe not something I would want said or repeated by my administration either, disregarding the veracity. There's no date or byline either…

A downvote seems insufficient but I'm really lost for words at how to even reply to this. The tone of reasonableness while posting absolute bonkers insanity is alarming.

Sartre’s quote in anti-semites applies to many of these:

> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by intended »

pm90 wrote: post #25
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet. Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least…

Bias is what exists on the left.

Monopoly and capture is what happened to the right. Theres a reason republicans march and Dems debate.

The republican strategists build this advantage over decades, it’s not the work of a single term. It’s a captured market of ideas, tariffs if you will. No competition from actual debates.

That’s why you can sell contradictory ideas within hours of each other, and never be called out for it. It’s why you can sell debates on Tan suits or prop up bogeymen, and never deal with debate.

This is news media. Eventually Fox wasn’t the sole juggernaut, and the techniques got adopted for online debates.

It’s been so wildly successful in building a reliable political voting bloc, that every political party in the world took notes.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by Lerc »

bigolkevin wrote: post #79
Lerc wrote: post #65

First they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I fear they cannot be stopped They will come for more speaking out makes you their next target

Being their next target is inevitable. Their greed has no bounds. Will you be a silent victim or will you resist? Will you fight back now, when you have more potential allies, or later, when so many have already been erased?

It's not something that I necessarily agree with. Just a thought that came into my head when thinking about the "What would I have done?" scenario.

Perhaps an alternate form might be

---

First they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because they will be coming for people like me

If I speak out, they will find me.

---

The intuition that I think it expresses is that perhaps people stay silent more from fear than disinterest.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by tremon »

spicyusername wrote: post #75
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people in the US, especially the Christian Trump supporters are nice but not kind. They will say hi, they will smile, they ask if you need anything, then they will happily defend the deportation of innocent people to secret prisons in foreign countries without any sort of due process. They will offer to bring you soup while your sick but will fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have affordable health…

I think they are just nice and ignorant, honestly. So many I interact with are just simply unaware and vote based on their discomfort with urban liberal culture. That's it. The blue hair and the pronouns made them feel weird, so they voted the other way.

I don't buy that. They have allowed their ignorance to be weaponised against the entire country, and if they refuse to acknowledge that, they are complicit in its destruction.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by josefresco »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #61
josefresco wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Approval ratings might fall, but they've installed a system of nearly unchecked power, and have shown a blatant disregard for law. It's probably too late for even the base to affect change without bloodshed.

The flipside of the "states' rights" movement is that the Federal Government is much weaker: so while it's easier to strip away rights and dismantle federal institutions, it's also easier for individuals to oppose the concrete harm that'd cause by working the levers of their local government. https://plush.city/@scarlet/114355949314782873 gives a few concrete things that individuals (not even groups) can do, which mi…

You're right in normal situations, but masked federal agents (HOURS FROM MY HOME) are kidnapping and sending US citizens to foreign gulags. As what point does "states rights" extend to the physical protection of its citizens? Will my local police protect me from the gestapo?

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by intended »

Applejinx wrote: post #36
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

Bear in mind that a lot of people took pains to not look at their candidate too closely, to the point where a (slim) voting majority wasn't showing up to rallies etc. during the campaign. One might see this as signs of their being fake, but it could also be suggestive that they didn't want to come out and see where their guy was really at. They voted for the IDEA of him and what they figured he represented, and were…

Sure. There’s many reasons to vote for Trump.

Now, someone has to act to deal with reality. This is pretty much the job of every adult in america.

I suspect this is why Vance has been so over the top as well. I think he expects Trump to get impeached, and take over the party faithful. This is an idle musings though.

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