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ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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> Religious people claim it's merely a communication device, and the computer is elsewhere. No, that is a seriously weird and imaginary perversion that you've invented, unless you have some citation to a doctrine. Christians do not consider body organs as "devices" nor do our churches teach doctrine on "external computers", if you refer to the Holy Trinity as such? Are you thinking of Latter-Day Saints mythology, or…

I believe they are referring to the soul. The soul according to doctrine does not exist inside the body for it can exist after the body's destruction.

> does not exist inside the body

Uh okay but let us not be reductive, because again you are confusing physicality and temporal space with spiritual reality, which is nuanced. A Christian would never say that “the soul [never] exists inside the body” because what do you mean by “inside”? That begs the question. Look up hylomorphism:

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/i...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylomorphism

While the soul, in death, can indeed exist apart from the body, even after the destruction of the physical human body, the soul is immortal, and lives on, in anticipation of its reuniting with that body. Whether in Heaven or Hell, the soul and body shall be reunited.

Even if the body is “destroyed” by physical means, that is a subjective judgement by human senses, and that glorified body will be reconstituted by Almighty God for everlasting unity with the soul.

> emergent property of the brain

Unfortunately, even this scientific definition is reductive. It ignores the theology of the Soul as an animating principle of everything that is created. Animals have souls [thus their name derived from “anima”]; rocks and stones have souls; trees have souls rivers have souls: everything that we can detect in this world, and every invisible thing, possesses a soul.

The difference with human souls regards their essence and immortality. But material souls are likewise considered souls in orthodox theology, and this should be considered by scientists.

Even in an “eternal death” in Hell, the body and the soul will be reunited there for eternal torture, body and soul.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#62

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Isn’t a human brain an organic computer? I find the human brain very interesting. The most interesting thing I know of in the universe.

I think growing a baby from nothing is pretty nifty, but brains are up there too.

A brain that replicates itself is indeed nifty!

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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There's various degrees of "solved" here. Identifying a generic area is cool. But I wouldn't call it a "solved problem" until it can consistently beat for example Rainbolt in accuracy. And there's no good comparison of completely random roads posted so far - mainly popular locations.

Basically, it's one thing to pick out a specific thing photographed thousands of times, but another to get a random country side view and pick out all the unique features for a very precise guess.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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40 km is imo pretty impressive, but the 5 minute is really a killer. No use in real time applications

The military/infosec uses of this are not real time. You can wait 5 minutes for a drone strike.

Yeah but you also cant be off by 40km with your drone strike.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#65

There's various degrees of "solved" here. Identifying a generic area is cool. But I wouldn't call it a "solved problem" until it can consistently beat for example Rainbolt in accuracy. And there's no good comparison of completely random roads posted so far - mainly popular locations. Basically, it's one thing to pick out a specific thing photographed thousands of times, but another to get a random country side view a…

One problem is how can you even set up a "fair" competition between an AI and Rainbolt? He does ones where it flashes for a fraction of a second and then he guesses the country. How do you simulate "only saw it for a fraction of a second" to an AI?

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

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I gave it a series of 11 images stripped of all metadata. It performed quite well, only misidentifying the two taken in a small college town in the NE of the US. It got two questions correct on photos taken in Korea (one with a fairly clear view of Haneul Park, the other a rather difficult to identify picture not resembling anything on google of Sunrise Peak). It got every other question in the US correct, ranging fr…

I uploaded this image that I screenshotted off Google street view (no metadata) and it got with 200m.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6801bbf7-fd40-8008-985d-75c8813f55...

There is the chat.

Weirdly it said, "I’ve seen that exact house before on Google Street View when exploring Cairns neighborhoods."

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#67

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"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra

Isn’t a human brain an organic computer? I find the human brain very interesting. The most interesting thing I know of in the universe.

I don’t think “organic computer” is a good way to think of a brain. The fact that human brains + some scratch paper can implement any Turing-complete model of computation is very interesting. But that’s not true of chimpanzee brains or orca brains or crow brains, all of which belong to intelligent, thinking animals.

Going the other way, it’s not clear that a Turing-complete model of computation can tractably implement (say) crow cognition. Turing machines can solve arbitrary systems of Schrödinger equations, so theoretically we could simulate every atom in a crow’s body and get an AI crow[1]. But that’s obviously intractable for any known physical computer, and would remain intractable even if we moved to proteins rather than atoms. So are there higher-order “primitives” of crow cognition that can be implemented on a Turing machine? Or is the problem akin to integration, where neat “symbolic” solutions are impossible for most brains, and only “numeric” approaches work?

[1] This is also true for humans: even if you take a loopy quantum consciousness approach, AGI is theoretically possible. Sometimes you see people arguing against AGI on the grounds of Gödel-incompleteness, but this is a mystical nonsense understanding of what Gödel actually proved.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#68
I asked the just-released ChatGPT o4-mini-high to locate four photographs of varying difficulty. It didn’t get any of them right, though the guesses weren’t bad. The reasoning was also interesting to watch, as it cropped sections of the photos to examine them more closely. I put the photos, response, and reasoning trace here:

https://www.gally.net/temp/20250418chatgptgeoguesser/index.h...

Later: I tried the same prompt and photos with Gemini 2.5 Pro. It also got them all wrong, though with a similar degree of reasonableness to its guesses. I had thought that Google’s map and street-view data might lead to better results, but not this time.

Re: ChatGPT now performs well at GeoGuesser

#70

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40 km is imo pretty impressive, but the 5 minute is really a killer. No use in real time applications

The military/infosec uses of this are not real time. You can wait 5 minutes for a drone strike.

For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)
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