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Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by chj »

Ingaz wrote: post #142
enraged_camel wrote: post #11

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>>I hope the Chinese are able to take criticism better than the west. Westerners can't get over their superiority complex. Actually, most Chinese people I've met, especially those who were born and raised in mainland China, have a massive superiority complex. In every type of discussion comparing the West to China, they keep bringing it up the fact that China has thousands of years of history, and has invented things…

Russian people of Soviet era had the same complex. We were taught that we have best science, culture, sport, military and most progressive state. Also we were strong but good, not as "prokliatye imperialisty" ("cursed imperialists") It evaporated in '90s, but not completely - I often hear "we were ...." Jerome K. Jerome wrote about the same complex in British people. If I recall correctly that must be in "Diary of a…

but you really had first rate scientists.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by yadli »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #140
gbog wrote: post #136

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I wasn't talking about getting the hukou, I was talking about becoming Beijinger

And if you can't get access to social services in Beijing, are you really a beijinger? Where do these kids go to school, take the gaokao, have a higher chance to get into PKU or qinghua? You aren't a full beijinger without hukou. That we can get hukou for a few of our college new hires every year is a big recruiting advantage for my company.

True. Actually there's been ongoing discusses on this issue, about education of children of migrant workers in China.

You cannot purchase a house, send your kids to school, or access many social services without a Beijing hukou(something like resident identification).

Big tech companies like Microsoft and Sina becomes more competitive on recruiting, because they have been given some hukou credits by the government, so if you get into these companies, you can get a hukou when it's your turn in the long-long queue.

And local Beijingers do not welcome those migrants. They even think it's unfair to let the kids of those to receive education in Beijing, not to mention the college entrance test(aka GaoKao).

It's sick.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by Fleuri »

chj wrote: post #157
Fleuri wrote: post #150

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When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Being a chinese much older than you and in retrospective, the real problem in China education is the lack of first rate teachers who really understand the topic they are teaching.

But without the changing of exam-oriented system(应试教育), talents of teachers won't be able to bring in to play in their work.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by [deleted] »

chj wrote: post #157
Fleuri wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Being a chinese much older than you and in retrospective, the real problem in China education is the lack of first rate teachers who really understand the topic they are teaching.

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Re: You'll never be Chinese

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chj wrote: post #157
Fleuri wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Being a chinese much older than you and in retrospective, the real problem in China education is the lack of first rate teachers who really understand the topic they are teaching.

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Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by [deleted] »

chj wrote: post #157
Fleuri wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Being a chinese much older than you and in retrospective, the real problem in China education is the lack of first rate teachers who really understand the topic they are teaching.

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Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by potatolicious »

mcantelon wrote: post #60
jisaacstone wrote: post #22

Take a moment and conciser how a similar piece, written of the United states around the turn of the last century, might read. Remember the 'roaring 20s?' Materialistic society, ambivalence about foreign affairs, widespread corruption, distrust of foreigners. A Chinese who owned a tea shop in a small town may well have to beg for a renewed lease, yes? Well, China is not the United States, but lets put things in perspe…

>Sorry, yes, they don't play fair. But I am hopeful at the turn of the next century China will be as prosperous and egalitarian as my own United States of America. Why would a one-party system evolve into being egalitarian? The US has devolved into being more or less ruled by lobbyists. The egalitarian phase in the US was largely due to workers being economically valuable and hence useful to maintain physically and m…

> "Why would a one-party system evolve into being egalitarian?"

Stranger things have happened - see Taiwan for a good example. One-party system, under martial law no less, evolving into a thriving multi-party democracy with a high degree of personal freedom and equality.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by PakG1 »

ender7 wrote: post #78
lionhearted wrote: post #17

Hmm. A strange article. A mix of really good points soaked in bitterness. I spend the bulk of my time in Beijing, Taipei, and Ulaanbaatar (Mongolia). My take is slightly different. Well, a lot is true. The property thing, definitely. The state industry takeovers is scary; you have to get a sense for what industries they don't mind foreigners in, and which they do. Media? Yeah, you don't want to own a media company in…

Whenever we talk about the nature of a people, things get complicated very fast. That said, my personal experience with community-vs.-individuality in Chinese culture is closer to the OP's than yours. There is incredibly strong feeling in China that the world -- and, indeed, your fellow countrymen -- are out to get you, so you'd better get them first. The tragedy of the commons is not a problem in China because the c…

I upvoted, but I also felt I should comment to say that the reason I agree and feel this comment needs to be seen is that I also agree with the OP, rather than lionhearted, precisely also because of personal experience after living in China for the past couple of years (and making truly local Chinese friends, the type who don't know many foreigners).

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by freewizard »

Talking about ideology education for children in this country, it's just like in some far-far-away, every newly born has to be fucked by the king; growing up, they know they are fucked, some are addicted to get fucked, some manage to be fuckers, most just know and accept what has been done and move on with more/other important things in their life. it's just life, no matter you born, just get fucked and move on.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by travisp »

xentronium wrote: post #156
travisp wrote: post #122

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That's kind of a rude response to someone relating a personal experience. Yes, I have personally experienced Russian drivers getting offended when I try to put on a seatbelt. Maybe it's changed from when I was there last 4 years ago as it's entirely possible that they've begun cracking down on it, but this was certainly the culture not very long ago (like much of the rest of the world). I'll also note that most of my…

Sorry if my comment came off as a little blunt, as I intended no rudeness, but I'm tired of knee-jerk comments regarding Russia. In your linked study they measure number of buckled drivers as slightly more than 50%. That's somewhat different to jamming seat buckle altogether with a key holder, don't you think? Rear seat passengers do not wear seat belts indeed, but that's another story: lots of cars simply don't have…

OK, sorry if I was took it the wrong way. What I was responding to was more the seat belt usage isn't too common and people feeling offended if you as a passenger put on a seatbelt. I did not experiencing the particular situation with the key holder. China is no doubt worse, but my point was that this particular thing (lack of seatbelt usage and negative opinion about them) says little about China given that it's a fairly worldwide phenomenon.
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