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Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by kaybe » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 11:28 AM UTC

Fleuri wrote: post #150

tokenadult wrote: post #73

As Confucius said, 三人行，必有我師焉 ("wherever three persons are walking, my teacher is surely among them"). This is a very interesting article for an American who has lived in east Asia for two three-year stays (mostly in Taiwan) and who has been learning the Chinese language since 1975. Much of what has been said about China in the first decade of the twenty-first century reminds me very much of what was said about Japan…

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Your text might profit from a few breaks, it's somewhat hard to read without.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

#152

Post by pmarca » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 11:59 AM UTC

Fleuri wrote: post #150

tokenadult wrote: post #73

As Confucius said, 三人行，必有我師焉 ("wherever three persons are walking, my teacher is surely among them"). This is a very interesting article for an American who has lived in east Asia for two three-year stays (mostly in Taiwan) and who has been learning the Chinese language since 1975. Much of what has been said about China in the first decade of the twenty-first century reminds me very much of what was said about Japan…

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Thank you for your very interesting post, and please ignore the pinhead complaining about formatting.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by Fleuri » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 12:16 PM UTC

kaybe wrote: post #151

Fleuri wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Your text might profit from a few breaks, it's somewhat hard to read without.

That's true, actually I wrote it in a text editor for programming, and those breaks disappeared mysteriously.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by damian2000 » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 12:31 PM UTC

Fleuri wrote: post #150

tokenadult wrote: post #73

As Confucius said, 三人行，必有我師焉 ("wherever three persons are walking, my teacher is surely among them"). This is a very interesting article for an American who has lived in east Asia for two three-year stays (mostly in Taiwan) and who has been learning the Chinese language since 1975. Much of what has been said about China in the first decade of the twenty-first century reminds me very much of what was said about Japan…

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Your comments are a great insight, thanks. It reminds me of an article I read about trainee Chinese pilots coming here to my country (Australia) to get required flight training. The Australian instructors are happy with their grades, but are generally not impressed by their spirit and attitude; i.e. they don't have a real love for flying.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by Fleuri » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 12:51 PM UTC

damian2000 wrote: post #154

Fleuri wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Your comments are a great insight, thanks. It reminds me of an article I read about trainee Chinese pilots coming here to my country (Australia) to get required flight training. The Australian instructors are happy with their grades, but are generally not impressed by their spirit and attitude; i.e. they don't have a real love for flying.

You know what, part of pilots in China(not all indeed) come from families that aren't rich, or countryside(so they are really not rich), or just didn't get good grades in school. So become a commercial aviation pilot means family finance would really change, and enroll in the military is another backup solution when taking exam and going university is not a good choice.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by xentronium » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 1:40 PM UTC

travisp wrote: post #122

xentronium wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've experienced it personally in Russia I call bullshit. You get fined almost always for driving unbuckled. It's actually one of the better effects of bad and greedy traffic police, who will otherwise fine you at the first available possibility (and, sigh, oftentimes impose bribe on you).

That's kind of a rude response to someone relating a personal experience. Yes, I have personally experienced Russian drivers getting offended when I try to put on a seatbelt. Maybe it's changed from when I was there last 4 years ago as it's entirely possible that they've begun cracking down on it, but this was certainly the culture not very long ago (like much of the rest of the world). I'll also note that most of my…

Sorry if my comment came off as a little blunt, as I intended no rudeness, but I'm tired of knee-jerk comments regarding Russia. In your linked study they measure number of buckled drivers as slightly more than 50%. That's somewhat different to jamming seat buckle altogether with a key holder, don't you think?

Rear seat passengers do not wear seat belts indeed, but that's another story: lots of cars simply don't have them and it's not enforced by law.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by chj » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 1:54 PM UTC

Fleuri wrote: post #150

tokenadult wrote: post #73

As Confucius said, 三人行，必有我師焉 ("wherever three persons are walking, my teacher is surely among them"). This is a very interesting article for an American who has lived in east Asia for two three-year stays (mostly in Taiwan) and who has been learning the Chinese language since 1975. Much of what has been said about China in the first decade of the twenty-first century reminds me very much of what was said about Japan…

When talking about education in China, given that I just graduated from a chinese high school last year(I'm chinese), I think I can have a different view-point from others looking outside. The fact is that, chinese students indeed have really really lots of things to learn in the subject of science, especially math, but something has missed, gravely. For example, the spirit of science. In china, students are told to…

Being a chinese much older than you and in retrospective, the real problem in China education is the lack of first rate teachers who really understand the topic they are teaching.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by chj » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 2:06 PM UTC

kaptain wrote: post #147

What does it mean to be Chinese? Technically, there is no Chinese ethnicity. China is made up of (officially) 56 ethnicities. My parents are ethnically Han Chinese. I was born in Canada, raised in America. I carry an American passport. To my neighbors, I'm a 华侨 (overseas Chinese); one taxi driver told me that I would be Chinese forever because it's in my blood. So what am I? Moving from the questions of ethnicity, is…

I feel nothing strong about Uyghers, but yes, there will be a little unease if he happens to carry a knife.

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by justincormack » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 2:12 PM UTC

to3m wrote: post #72

travisp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't just a Chinese thing. I've experienced it personally in Russia, and I've heard of it in other countries too.

It's an everywhere thing. Before seatbelts were compulsory in the UK, people used not to wear them there either. You'd have to talk to somebody who was an adult at the time - probably not many of those round here - to get the definitive answer, but I distinctly remember being confused by adults often failing to put their seatbelts on, even for quite some time after seatbelts became compulsory.

Yes thats true. I think the warnings in cars have gradually changed this and there are few holdouts now. (I didnt realize it was only 1983 they were made compulsory, so I was 14 then)

Re: You'll never be Chinese

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Post by chj » Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 2:14 PM UTC

vph wrote: post #56

The author seems to suggest that the main problem -- as suggested by the title -- is that the Chinese are strongly anti-foreigners. This might be true. But I don't think it's why his business was robbed. The main problem, I think, is the Chinese's jungle-ruled platform associated with its single-party tyranny. What happens is they will invite you in and give you lots of promises and flexibilities at first. They will…

you are definitely worrying too much. every native businessman faces the same challenge.