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Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?

Not a determining factor. Genocide is the commission of one of the five prohibited acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

A bit hard to show "intent to destroy" if for 77 years of rule, they haven't actually done it, though. I mean, in what other "genocide" did the population grow, year over year, for 77 years? Can you name a single one where the population grew for even five years of "genocide"?

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

> and our court system can rule against the current admin. That is more and more often not happening recently, because courts are not involved. If they are and explicitly request planes to be turned around and people brought back - they're ignored without repercussions.

> without repercussions

This part is not settled yet.

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But Zionism is not Judaism. Most of the pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist content I see is denouncing Israeli war crimes and genocide. No one is bashing Jews because of their ethnicity or religion. Also a lot of this comes from the Jews (who are then attacked for being confused or..... antisemitic) We're not at the point of people hunting Jews because they're Jews. We are at the point when opposing targeting/killing medi…

Got called a "self-hating Jew" for the first time on Mastodon a year ago, for criticizing Israel. Unfortunately for those of us in the diaspora, Israel has really muddied the waters by convincing people that anti-Israel = antisemitism, because it's given real antisemites cover. E.g., like when the ADL came to Musk's defense after his Nazi salute because he officially supported Israel.

Almost all far-right / neo-nazis groups with a long (real) antisemitism trajectory like the ones Elon Musk supports are now pro-Israel and pro-Gaza genocide. Sounds weird, but it makes total sense, as:

- The Zionist project is an ethno-state, just like those groups want for their countries. This also echoes the Zionist-nazi collaborations before WWII to move jewish population out of Germany to Palestine.

- Israel works as an spearhead of the global imperialism configuration, if you support imperialism on the Middle East -as those groups and their bourgeoisie do- you must support Israel.

- European neo-nazi groups are militant against immigration, and a big chunk of that immigration to their countries is muslim, so they are more than open to the Israel narratives against the muslim world... even the most extremist ones that de-humanizes Gaza children ("those children are future terrorists").

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If you are talking about Khalil, he didn't just speak against Israel, it seems like his role in an org which openly supported Hamas may have played a part but didn't matter legally. The legal issue was that he left out facts on his green card application. I am 100% sure that support of terrorist orgs can invalidate your green card. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-administration-claims-palest... > According to recent…

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Not a determining factor. Genocide is the commission of one of the five prohibited acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

A bit hard to show "intent to destroy" if for 77 years of rule, they haven't actually done it, though. I mean, in what other "genocide" did the population grow , year over year, for 77 years? Can you name a single one where the population grew for even five years of "genocide"?

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> Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you? Birthright citizenship was to ensure freed slaves could not be denied citizenship. It's served its purpose and we can repeal it and join the vast majority of nations that don't have this pathway.

If you want to repeal it, then convince your fellow citizens to do that. The president can't do it.

Someone mentioned the 2nd Amendment in this thread.

If a president stretched the limits of executive power to go after guns, half of the country would cheer for it.

The Constitution is a living document, and the line is constantly pushed back and forth on its interpretation and enforcement.

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I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative. This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere. But but but… details matter. A lot. The west has traditions how and when to apply power, which is distinctly different from Russia. I hand-pick two illustrations of Russia: 1. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accu... > Officers “beat up Kamardin very badl…

>hand-picked

cherry-picked, actually

1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police...

None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this

2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it in Russian, and if you will do some effort you will find why

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A bit hard to show "intent to destroy" if for 77 years of rule, they haven't actually done it, though. I mean, in what other "genocide" did the population grow , year over year, for 77 years? Can you name a single one where the population grew for even five years of "genocide"?

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Mmhm. And not only can I read — it would be quite amazing if I could write the posts you're angrily responding to without being able to read — I'm also pointing out that there is nothing that qualifies as a 77-year genocide in which the population grows year over year the entire time. No serious scholarship exists that even claims a 77 year genocide starting in 1948. Every time someone dies in a conflict, does not equate to an attempt to destroy a people "in whole or in part" — quite obviously, or else even a murder would count as a genocide, along with every single war ever. Certainly Palestinians have killed Israelis with the intent to destroy them — even prior to 1948. In fact, it was Israelis who accepted the 1948 partition plan, and the Palestinians who rejected it in favor of a war that they subsequently lost (but intended to win, and killed many people while trying!). Have the Palestinians been committing genocide for 100 years? No, obviously not. Your claims do not hold water and do not support a 77-year supposed genocide. Please try again.

BTW the five acts are: killing — typically systematic, targeting civilians rather than militants; bodily/mental harm (e.g widespread slavery, systematic rape); deliberately inflicting conditions meant to destroy the group (e.g. mass starvation); forced birth control e.g. the Uyghur genocide; or forcible transfer of children outside of the group. If any of these things had been systematically happening for 77 years straight as you claim, the population would not have grown: it would have been demolished, like in every other case. That's the whole point of the term genocide, vs other, lesser terms. If the group wasn't meaningfully destroyed, it's pretty unlikely there was a genocide.

Even if it were true that the end goal of Zionism has always been the complete expulsion of the Palestinians — which isn't the case, and in fact many early Zionists advocated for peacefully living together, as do plenty of modern ones — expulsion is not genocide, or else India and Pakistan have been committing genocide against each other for even longer. Even with that steelman you're still wrong!

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The problem is the pro-Palestine movement irrecoverably linked themselves to Hamas, a terrorist organization, it's made supporting Palestine a toxic position to hold for anyone of any significance.

Just because a bunch of war criminals keep saying it, it doesn't make it true.

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They are intending to unconstitutionally remove birthright. I expect they will start having trouble slightly before third generation+ immigrants.

But… they can't remove citizenship retroactively. What I mean is today there are citizens and non-citizens, but there are no classes of citizens. Either you have citizenship or you do not, it doesn't matter how you acquired it.

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