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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by YZF » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:38 AM UTC

yoda97 wrote: post #98

mjevans wrote: post #35

I think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held. Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal. Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions. Some…

A two state solution is never possible when one state keeps expanding with impunity, and every time the second state resists it is called a terrorist state. My country resisted colonization in the mid 20th century and the resistance efforts were called terrorism by everyone, nobody calls them terrorists now.

Israel has not expanded. It has shrunk. It returned Sinai to Egypt. It returned Gaza to the Palestinians. It gave control of west bank cities to the Palestinian Authority after allowing it's bitter enemy leadership (the PLO and Arafat) to return to the West Bank.

I'm reading Ireland between the lines. There is zero similarity.

A two state solution is not possible because most Palestinians do not want that solution. They want Israel erased and Jews "erased" from the middle east. Offers were already on the table and refused and the Oslo peace process was killed by Hamas violence.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:40 AM UTC

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418

maeil wrote: post #266

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Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

There's a difference between truth and lies - an actual, material, essential difference. It's not politics, it's truth.

People can take any relativistic position they want, but that difference is essential to anything and everything: The truth about database i/o performance is essential to your project; the truth about climate change is essential to preventing catastrophe; the truth about Covid was essential to saving millions of lives - and many died and much blood is on the hands of the liars.

But the liars were not, and shouldn't have been, arrested, deported, extorted, threatened, etc.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by YZF » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:42 AM UTC

defrost wrote: post #550

YZF wrote: post #540

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Palestinian violence predates the 1967 and 1948. Also Gaza wasn't occupied since Israel left it in 2005. Here's is one example from 1954 when Israel did not control Gaza or the West Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre "The Ma'ale Akrabim massacre, known in English as the Scorpions Pass Massacre, was an attack on an Israeli passenger bus, carried out on 17 March 1954, in the middle of the day…

Can you remind us whether this bus attack in which 11 people died came before or after the 1948-1949 Plan Dalet during which over 500 Arab villages were destroyed or depopulated by military forces under the direction of later first prime minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion? The plan's tactics involved laying siege to Palestinian Arab villages, bombing neighbourhoods of cities, forced expulsion of their inhabitants, a…

Why are we moving the goal posts?

Parent claims the violence is simply due to:

"The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and Palestinian people treated as subhuman animals."

This is not true. And this is what I'm addressing in my reply.

We can litigate 1948 as well. Plenty of Palestinian violence pre-1948. Their refusal to accept the UN's partition plan (which was a lot more generous than the two state solution people are talking about today).

EDIT: Also I hope you're not trying to say that Israel's actions during the war in 1948 (even if we accept they were in the wrong, which I do not) justify boarding a bus and slaughtering civilians 6 years later.

Your last statement I guess is true but not helpful. Plenty of violence to go around.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:42 AM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #417

packetlost wrote: post #152

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Here's the executive branch getting ordered by SCOTUS to bring someone back for doing just that: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

The executive branch is merely going to ignore everything and then apply pardon powers to any sort of actual enforcement by the judiciary branch. But how can this judiciary enforce anything, or the legislative for that matter?

You are believing the trash talk and allowing it to intimidate you. You are helping them by spreading it and legitimizing it.

The executive branch is obeying the courts, with some pushback.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by sfx77 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:46 AM UTC

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #552

sfx77 wrote: post #548

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Because when you say that it makes it sounds like Israel randomly attacked Palestinians, which is not what happened. (can you re-enable comments on your comments?)

Three quarters of Israel's victims have been women and children. They had a nicknamed "Daddy's Home" protocol which was designed to blow up houses when the whole family was home to maximise the chance of killing the "alleged" terrorist (of which they only spent 10-20 seconds identifying). Are you blind to the atrocities of the past two years or do you really just not value an innocent palestinian life the same as an…

that's a lie. https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-dea... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/14/world/israel-gaza-wa... It's not even the first lie as the UN revised their statistics silently as well.

It's pretty amazing how much bs you're willing to believe about Israel, yet not a single critique of the perpetrators of this attack or their supporters. Sounds to me like you're just set on condemning Israel no matter what the numbers say, no matter who attacks who, no matter if rape happens, children get kidnapped. It's weird.

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Post by iddan » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:47 AM UTC

SauciestGNU wrote: post #549

Duwensatzaj wrote: post #528

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I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.

Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:47 AM UTC

throwing_away wrote: post #259

ath3nd wrote: post #158

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> You’re not arrested for posting this Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-... Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/arti…

It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews". The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

It's not at all equivalent.

> The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

What is American life? Why can't people criticize whatever they want - that is American life.

> "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews"

The vast majority of antisemitism is on the right. The administration does nothing about it (and supports and legitimizes much of it).

Also, the Jews will be next. By attacking critics of Judaism, they are entrapping Jewish people (and others) in legitimzing this oppression, and in making themselves into targets of hate. Then when the white supremecists turn on them, and say Jews are conspiring to control American, what will these Jewish supporters of arrests, oppression, and deportations say?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by kombine » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:47 AM UTC

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

> Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way.

This is more subtle. I have a lot to say about Israel, and I do post occasionally on Facebook, but I tone it down a lot because I have a few high profile people in the industry and academia among my Facebook friends (not actual friends). If I were to post what I really think, this would have serious career repercussions for me. People would brand me as an antisemite (they don't know that my grandfather is Jewish and he practically raised me).

Can you compare this to Russia? Well, I am Russian and I live in the West, so my choice of living here gives an answer to this question. I'd be in jail in Russia if they read my Facebook posts about the war in Ukraine. Yet, I'm now disillusioned about the Western liberalism, all thanks to Gaza war.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:48 AM UTC

brandonmenc wrote: post #440

ath3nd wrote: post #376

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> I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring. Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? - hostility towards non traditional sexuality - immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems - strong feeling of national exceptionalism - assault on women's productivity rights - politicizing of science - deportation for political reasons - "Roman" salut…

> Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you? Birthright citizenship was to ensure freed slaves could not be denied citizenship. It's served its purpose and we can repeal it and join the vast majority of nations that don't have this pathway.

If you want to repeal it, then convince your fellow citizens to do that. The president can't do it.

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Post by mmooss » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:49 AM UTC

throwing_away wrote: post #401

ath3nd wrote: post #376

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> I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring. Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? - hostility towards non traditional sexuality - immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems - strong feeling of national exceptionalism - assault on women's productivity rights - politicizing of science - deportation for political reasons - "Roman" salut…

> Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? Up until you got to the "Roman" salutes, it sounded like both sides in the US. Or rather, it will sound like whichever side you aren't. That's the point. But using "Then they came for the Jews" when you're discussing deportation of these particular people is perhaps a new level of absurdity in the discourse.

> "Roman" salutes, it sounded like both sides in the US.

The liberals / Dems can barely organize a picnic. They can't agree on anything. There is no Fox News, there is nobody they bow down to. The obsequiousness to Trump is unprecendented.