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yoda97 wrote: post #98
mjevans wrote: post #35

I think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held. Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal. Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions. Some…

A two state solution is never possible when one state keeps expanding with impunity, and every time the second state resists it is called a terrorist state. My country resisted colonization in the mid 20th century and the resistance efforts were called terrorism by everyone, nobody calls them terrorists now.

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Post by packetlost »

aeternum wrote: post #142
bcrosby95 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign co…

>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

Here's the executive branch getting ordered by SCOTUS to bring someone back for doing just that: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

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Post by 20after4 »

mjevans wrote: post #88
Workaccount2 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That seems wasteful and excessive. Could you elaborate on the upsides of this proposal? They are not obvious from my perspective.

Not sure if I would call it an upside but I guess if you destroy everything worth fighting for then maybe people stop fighting? If you then execute anyone still willing to persist I guess you can claim victory. This is how you win the internet, just come up with one of the most extreme and cynical responses possible.

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Post by jgiejxifjskx »

yoda97 wrote: post #98
mjevans wrote: post #35

I think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held. Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal. Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions. Some…

A two state solution is never possible when one state keeps expanding with impunity, and every time the second state resists it is called a terrorist state. My country resisted colonization in the mid 20th century and the resistance efforts were called terrorism by everyone, nobody calls them terrorists now.

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by jmyeet »

The role of the media (including social media) is to move in lockstep with US domestic and foreign policy. This has been known for some time [1]. It's never as simple as the White House calling up Mark Zuckerberg and saying "hey, silence X". It's about a series of filters that decides who is in the media and who has their thumb on the algorithmic scales, as per the famous Noam Chomsky Andrew Marr interview [2] ("What I'm saying is if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting").

Noam Chomsky is a national treasure.

When a former Netanyahu adviser and Israeli embassy staffer seemingly has the power to suppress pro-Palestinian speech on Meta platforms [3], nobody should be surprised.

If you're a US citizen who is a journalist critical of a key US ally, that ally is allowed to assassinate you without any objection of repercussions [4].

This is also why Tiktok originally got banned in a bipartisan fashion: the Apartheid Defense League director Jonathon Goldblatt said (in leaked audio) "we have a Tiktok problem" [5] and weeks later it was banned. Tiktok simply suppresses pro-Palestinian speech less than other platforms.

[1]: https://chomsky.info/consent01/

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvGmBSHFuj0

[3]: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/metas-israel-policy-chief...

[4]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/israeli-forces-kil...

[5]: https://x.com/Roots_Action/status/1767941861866348615

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Post by cypherpunks01 »

mef51 wrote: post #44
googlryas wrote: post #13

I'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.

The HRW report[1] goes into details, at least on the 1050 takedowns they documented > A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one post was content in support of Israel." [1] https://www.hr…

> Human Rights Watch also found repeated inaccurate application of the “adult nudity and sexual activity” policy for content related to Palestine. In every one of the cases, we reviewed where this policy was invoked, the content included images of dead Palestinians over ruins in Gaza that were clothed, not naked. For example, multiple users reported their Instagram stories being removed under this policy when they posted the same image of a Palestinian father in Gaza who was killed while he was holding his clothed daughter, who was also killed.

> While “hate speech,” “bullying and harassment,” and “violence and incitement” policies[74] were less commonly invoked in the cases Human Rights Watch documented, the handful of cases where they were applied stood out as erroneous. For example, a Facebook user post that said, “How can anyone justify supporting the killing of babies and innocent civilians…” was removed under Community Standards on “bullying and harassment.”[75] Another user posted an image on Instagram of a dead child in a hospital in Gaza with the comment, “Israel bombs the Baptist Hospital in Gaza City killing over 500…” which was removed under Community Guidelines on “violence and incitement.”[76]

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Post by ath3nd »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

> You’re not arrested for posting this

Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-...

Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o

Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrn57340xlo

Sure it happens to immigrants only for now, brings memory to this poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Post by maujun »

donjoe0 wrote: post #32
MPSFounder wrote: post #5

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*leading orchestrator of propaganda alongside the US, which has the most effective propaganda machine in the history of the world, more effective even than its actual military All you need is to check the miles-long list of antidemocratic coups d'etat organized by - or with the critical support of - the US, and what the press or the public thought at the time if you asked them if the US was doing that.

You seem to be indicating that the US actions were bad.

But after those actions, that's what many people wanted after simply reading/listening to some words.

Even if you say what the US is disseminating is not "true" (or misleading), it is debatable that truth matters more than the people's "preferences".

And it's debatable that other country's preferences matter more than the US people's. What's wrong with the US spreading it's view of morality (such as human rights)?

The US is the greatest country in the world. I learned that in school and don't need to worry about whether it's true. Now and when the time comes, I will be a good citizen.

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