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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by throw310822 »

dijit wrote: post #334
nashashmi wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every pro Palestinian protestor has experienced some form of awareness suppression and content removal. They have known this was a thing long before anyone else did. Same thing happened during 9/11. Muslims saw suppression, bullying by the police and no one covered it. Then the tables turned on maga republicans after j6.

I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

> it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations

Any excuse is good when you have power and want to justify repression. For example they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal. Quite a jump. (Meanwhile, the Likud's platform says "from the river to the sea there will be only Israel" but that's fine).

> if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes

They killed much less civilians than the IDF did, and they are not invaders nor illegal occupiers of someone else's country. What is acceptable or unacceptable is decided by those who are in power, and they are currently protecting a country whose prime minister in charge is wanted for crimes against humanity.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bradly »

bognition wrote: post #386
bradly wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. China demands Apple Maps be ran on Chinese servers by Chinese workers. I would expect current U.S. administration to be frustrated with these imbalances as surveillance state measures increase. These imbalances were less important when there was less interest in information and truth suppression.

Where do you think the servers that power TikTok in the United States are? Who do you think administers those servers?

I have no idea. I worked on the team at Apple that deployed Apple Maps across the globe and China was very different than other countries. South Korea had some interesting requirements as well. I've not worked on that team at TikTok and wouldn't expect the knowledge of the exact requirements to be shared publicly.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by econ »

bradlys wrote: post #373
Viliam1234 wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More organs harvested from political prisoners.

Ah yes, the US known for putting people in prisons where we use techniques the Nazis developed as part of our “enhanced interrogation”. USA is totally way better than China here!

Comparing apples to oranges works surprisingly well if they are rotten enough?

50th vs 70th

https://index.goodcountry.org/

Both the US and China score surprisingly bad on everything listed here.

I do prefer the way janalsncm described quality of life.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43659542

Is there an index for those some place?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nickff »

someotherperson wrote: post #338
breppp wrote: post #233

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HRW is a "complicated" organization. It took money from Saudis in return for not advocating for LGBT rights in the middle east [1]. It agreed to take money from the Qatari government, a government that also supports Hamas [2][3] and is involved in corruption cases and buying of politicians all over the world. [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle…

This feels like a dog whistle rather than providing something substantive. The Israeli government also helped facilitate Qatar's support for Hamas[0], what's your point here? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#Isra...

Not previously involved in this discussion, but what exactly is the 'dog-whistle' you're calling out here? It seems that you're engaging in whataboutism; is that what you believe the parent is doing as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by janalsncm »

chacham15 wrote: post #333
googlryas wrote: post #13

I'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.

Since nobody here has actually read the article, it states that the reason the posts were taken down was "prohibits incitement to terrorism praise for acts of terrorism and identification or support of terror organizations." This type of speech (incitement) is illegal in the United States and support is very borderline depending on the type and meaning of "support". Now, if the reason doesnt match the actual content…

You can see some examples here (linked in the OP): https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...

On the one hand there are comments from users that want to “turn Gaza into a parking lot” or worse and were not removed because they don’t violate the community guidelines.

On the other hand there are people posting educational explainers about Palestinian human rights censored under hate speech or dangerous individuals rules.

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Post by elcritch »

empath75 wrote: post #305
elcritch wrote: post #197

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I've seen a few news articles on arrests and the headlines are attention grabbing "Ivy League Student arrested for protesting" and it's worrisome to see. However then buried in the article is something like they overstayed their visa, etc. Take a sibling comment's link to an article with a "second student arrested" in the title. As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". This is nothing like the reports of a…

> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". --- > “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately afte…

Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not:

> A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy only at German shops!" Berlin, Germany, April 1, 1933.

It seems that a number of these students have been participating in events and protests calling for violence. After all there’s probably 10’s of thousands of student protestors, and likely many of them foreign students too. So it doesn’t seem like a “deport all Muslim students” either.

Peaceful protests are one thing, but I’ve seen some of these protests in person and it’s clear they’re not all peaceful demonstrations. Also supporting Hamas and Hezbollah is not supporting peaceful innocent freedom fighters. Both groups are clear and open on their stance for genocide against Israelies.

However we shouldn’t deport students who are peaceful and haven’t called for violence against others. It’s great that those cases are being called out and publicly criticized . But not every one of these cases are an innocent student getting caught up either. What is happening is Gaza is terrible all around. It shouldn’t be used as an excuse to call for more violence against Jews or Muslims.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mkolodny »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #329
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

I don't think this is necessarily an issue of censorship so much as it is highlighting that Facebook is clearly a fucking news publisher and should be treated as such under the law. It's time to revoke section 230 for any social media network that amplifies or buries content with a non-transparent process. In this case it isn't even merely an algorithm designed by humans. They have LITERAL human editors choosing whic…

Are you saying you think human editors handpick what goes on billions of people’s Facebook feeds?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by jrflowers »

dang wrote: post #382
jrflowers wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure that linking to one post that agrees with your decision to provide your own title for the article (in contradiction to one of HN’s core rules no less) in order to intentionally steer discussion away from the subject of the article is that compelling of a way to convince people that your editorial decision here was correct. It certainly does nothing to address a valid concern about the precedent that thi…

> in contradiction to one of HN’s core rules no less There's no contradiction. The rule is " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait. " Nor is there any attempt to steer discussion away from the subject of the article. That would have been a hapless attempt, had it existed, since the thread is filled with such discussion.

> Nor is there any attempt to steer discussion away from the subject of the article.

> I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title

Your goal was to “reduce the flamebait effect” without having any impact on the discussion? Those two sentiments are contradictory.

> That would have been a hapless attempt

No argument there, it actually makes the whole endeavor of manually inventing an Israel-friendly title to substitute a neutral and factually accurate one even stranger.

The goal here appears to be to make it seem as though a campaign to remove pro-Palestinian content simply happened on its own, which only works if the title that you wrote successfully dissuades people from reading the article. It looks like all this choice accomplished, though, was raising some eyebrows where you’ve now had to post several times to defend it, with little to no impact on the quality of the discussion of the topic. That being said, the fact that it was a half measure doesn’t provide adequate cover for the obvious intent in this particular editorial choice.

So again, why even bother with the half measures? If any mention of Israel lowers any topic below the community standards for discussion, you can simply outright ban mentions of Israel and any Israel-adjacent topics rather than manually intervening to write bespoke, more positive headlines for the country to suit any mention.

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #191
switch007 wrote: post #51

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No, what it proves is that users will flag unsubstantive flamewar posts on Hacker News, regardless of the topic or the commenter's position on the topic. This is a good thing. Posts like your comment here break the site guidelines badly*, and the users who flagged it were quite correct to do so, regardless of your (or their) political opinion. * for example, this one: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substan…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nashashmi »

cj wrote: post #314
bradlys wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.

What benchmark are you using for standard of life?

Homeless population
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