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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

> Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic"

Do you have a link to what you are referring to?

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post #276

Edit: I'm deleting most of my post, to avoid politics part and only preserving my "point" Basically I'm saying: Nobody has a right to free wide distribution of their thoughts on social media anyway, and also, those who provide these free ad-supported platforms have many reasonable motivations to remove content -- including the belief that the speaker is wrong/spreading lies and propaganda. That doesn't 'silence' them…

Fair enough, but the social media companies should be honest about it. Instead they brag hypocritically about free speech.

I disagree with you though. These global social media platforms have an incredible amount of sway over our society. As long as they have that reach, they should not be allowed to distort and silence.

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that this is where things are going, right? Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? I don’t understand why we keep forgetting that authoritarianism is a slippery slope.

> You do realize that this is where things are going, right? This has been going on for decades. > Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? The legality of which will be decided (hopefully) by the courts. If this turns out to be legal, the fault doesn't lie at the hands of Trump and his cronies, but at a broken system we've had - for decades. Getting rid of him won't solve this…

Agreed. And nowhere did I say that the problem is Trump. I was simply using current events as proof that we are already in a bad state.

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post #291

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Another reason why TikTok has to come under US ownership. How else are we going to censor things when they are under China’s (lack of) control?

Exactly. China demands Apple Maps be ran on Chinese servers by Chinese workers. I would expect current U.S. administration to be frustrated with these imbalances as surveillance state measures increase. These imbalances were less important when there was less interest in information and truth suppression.

At least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.

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America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to…

I've seen a few news articles on arrests and the headlines are attention grabbing "Ivy League Student arrested for protesting" and it's worrisome to see. However then buried in the article is something like they overstayed their visa, etc. Take a sibling comment's link to an article with a "second student arrested" in the title. As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". This is nothing like the reports of a…

> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". ---

> “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.” ― Milton Sanford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45

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You have to say "No" loudly and clearly at the _first offense_, and not wait until it's too late.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

#306

Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

> Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" Do you have a link to what you are referring to?

Quote from Marco Rubio (confirmed 99-0 in the Senate)

"Rubio said that while Khalil's “past, current or expected beliefs, statements, or associations that are otherwise lawful," the provision allows the secretary of state alone to “personally determine” whether he should remain in the country." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mahmoud-khalil-deported...

The article is a day old, the judges just affirmed that Rubio is allowed to do this today

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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post #169

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Anna Politkovskaya – Investigative journalist and critic of the Chechen war, shot in Moscow (2006). Alexander Litvinenko – Ex-FSB officer poisoned with polonium in London (2006). Stanislav Markelov & Anastasia Baburova – Human rights lawyer and journalist, shot in Moscow (2009). Boris Nemtsov – Opposition leader, shot near the Kremlin (2015). Denis Voronenkov – Former Russian MP, shot in Kyiv (2017). Nikolai Andrushc…

I think OP is more using this incident along with many others. Things similar to in February when the President signed executive orders that imposed sanctions on American law firms and lawyers which included suspension of security clearances, termination of government contracts, and restrictions preventing firm employees from accessing federal buildings. (https://www.justsecurity.org/110109/president-cannot-issue-a...)

I have no idea how to talk equality to speak of whether they are comparable or not, but I do think people are seeing a different atmosphere.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

Why arrest if you can silence?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

> Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" Do you have a link to what you are referring to?

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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this is grossly misunderstanding the situation in Gaza, a two state solution was never acceptable to Israel, Hamas as it exists today is a result of Netanyahu policy. Israel created the monster to justify their genocide.

Except Hamas took over Gaza in 2006/7 more or less in it's current form, before Netanyahu came back into power at 2009. Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch. Sure Netanyahu didn't exactly help to see the least, but saying he is somehow solely responsible for Hamas is pretty biased.

>> Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over Gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch.

Agreed. And Israel have annihilated over 50,000 Gazans. Not exactly a fun loving bunch.

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