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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by dang »

switch007 wrote: post #51

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No, what it proves is that users will flag unsubstantive flamewar posts on Hacker News, regardless of the topic or the commenter's position on the topic.

This is a good thing. Posts like your comment here break the site guidelines badly*, and the users who flagged it were quite correct to do so, regardless of your (or their) political opinion.

* for example, this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.", and this one: "Don't be snarky.". Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing those things? We'd appreciate it.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by cbzbc »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #103
thot_experiment wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is grossly misunderstanding the situation in Gaza, a two state solution was never acceptable to Israel, Hamas as it exists today is a result of Netanyahu policy. Israel created the monster to justify their genocide.

> a two state solution was never acceptable to Israel Wrong, they accepted the 1947 partition plan and agreed to the Oslo accords

The Oslo accords were intended - in the words of Rabin - to give the Palestinians 'less than a state', and arguably the division of the West Bank into Areas A, B and C have allowed for the expansion of settlements in the latter.

Whether the 1947 partition was accepted as a final state depends on who you ask, it's fairly clear that prominent figures viewed it as a stop along the way to a more comprehensive settlement. Take Ben Gurion ("After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.") or Chaim Weizmann ("partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years"). Menachem Begin's Herut continued to use the slogan 'Both banks of the Jordan River", and this language is reflected in Likud's founding charter.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Workaccount2 »

mjevans wrote: post #88
Workaccount2 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That seems wasteful and excessive. Could you elaborate on the upsides of this proposal? They are not obvious from my perspective.

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ethbr1 »

efnx wrote: post #164
aeternum wrote: post #142

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>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

What about that guy who got deported to El Salvador even though he was legally here and the court had also ordered he not be sent back to El Salvador for his own protection? I’m pretty sure the admin admitted it was a mistake then refused to bring him back.

The Supreme Court resolutely batted that down 9-0 in a few days.

>> The [District Court] order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

The only question at this point is how detailed in demands the District Court can be.

The administration attempted to push the boundaries of executive power and lost in court, as has been happening.

Turns out, conservative justices with lifetime appointments aren't too legally thrilled about an unbridled executive either.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by dang »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #193
mjevans wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems wasteful and excessive. Could you elaborate on the upsides of this proposal? They are not obvious from my perspective.

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by elcritch »

perihelions wrote: post #77
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

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You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to…

I've seen a few news articles on arrests and the headlines are attention grabbing "Ivy League Student arrested for protesting" and it's worrisome to see.

However then buried in the article is something like they overstayed their visa, etc. Take a sibling comment's link to an article with a "second student arrested" in the title. As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". This is nothing like the reports of arrests in Russia. Especially as some of these pro-Palestinian protestors advocate violence or intifada pretty freely. I've seen that with my own eyes.

If I were a foreign national protesting and advocating for violence against any other country or people group I'd expect to be denied a visa or possibly deported for participating in such events. It'd be arrogant not to expect that outcome IMHO.

Visa applications in European Union countries often include things such as "indicators of good civil behavior". Take the quotes from that sibling comment's linked BBC article:

> The DHS statement says that Ms Kordia had overstayed her student visa, which had been terminated in 2022 "for lack of attendance". It did not say whether she had been attending Columbia or another institution. > She had previously been arrested in April 2024 for taking part in protests at Columbia University, according to DHS. > "It is a privilege to be granted a visa to live and study in the United States of America," said Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem in a statement. > "When you advocate for violence and terrorism that privilege should be revoked, and you should not be in this country."

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by dang »

instagib wrote: post #190
dang wrote: post #49

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Edit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Espe…

At this point, is it feasible to implement user-submitted or generated tags for submissions that can subsequently be concealed? Our focus is shifting towards the news aspect rather than the hacking aspect, which is the primary reason for my presence here.

There are fluctuations, such as a swing towards current affairs stories during turbulent times, but the basic mix has been stable for years and the baseline isn't likely to change. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 for how far back this question goes...

Not that it helps, necessarily, but the people who have the opposite preference to yours are complaining loudly about how much they feel the current affairs stories are being suppressed on HN.

Re tags: I've always resisted the idea of adding it to the core HN site, but I do think we can do more to support alternate front-ends to HN. With any luck, we can publish the next version of the API this year, which should make that a lot easier.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ethbr1 »

uniqueuid wrote: post #67
Cyph0n wrote: post #59

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You do realize that this is where things are going, right? Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? I don’t understand why we keep forgetting that authoritarianism is a slippery slope.

You have a point with democratic backsliding - but then your rights hinge on the impartiality of the judicial system (as a whole, and eventually, not necessarily individual decisions evidently). It’s pretty obvious that the legal systems even in flawed democracies is still vastly better than in those autocracies.

Checks and balances are a crucial feature of American democracy.

It's almost as though the framers of the Constitution foresaw the possibility of the two elected branches of government (executive and legislative) being monopolized by the same group, at some point.

And that the very flexibility of regular, open, direct elections also required a check to protect the fundamental rights of all people in the country.

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